From this thread:
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/the-dumbest-thing-in-new-woke-ravenloft/180/…
And, again, your theory is complete nonsense lacking even a shred of evidential support and in the realm of lunatic conspiracy theorist screaming about the end of the world on the street corner.
Here are I think the main issues at play here:
1) People here believe "Get Woke Go Broke" is a universal truth; and
2) People here believe WOTC has "Gotten Woke"; therefore
3) People here think WOTC will "Go Broke" (whatever that term means in this context).
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Again with this?
Serving number three coming up:
1)
"People here believe "Get Woke Go Broke" is a universal truth" We’ve already had this conversation:
Here:
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/will-the-current-woke-environment-hasten-or-delay-a-wotc-commitment-to-6th-ed/msg1161368/#msg1161368And here:
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/dd-is-selling-great-why-not-sell-it-now/90/2)
"People here believe WOTC has "Gotten Woke"." They hired Jessica Price for the nu-Ravenloft book. Q.E.D.
3)
"People here think WOTC will "Go Broke" (whatever that term means in this context)."Disingenuous again. You know full well from our past conversations on this issue in the links I provided in my answer to your first point exactly what context is being used.
You're just regurgitating your woke = not broke talking points on a loop tape now.
That being said; there are issues which will effect D&D’s woke demise.
Up until recently 5e has been
very “woke lite”. The woke in 5e has been at a low level for most of its run. Love of a decent edition of D&D in the post 4e world has overridden any pushback that minor woke inclusions might otherwise have brought. Only now with the last few books – and especially Ravenloft, do we see the woke dial starting to be turned up…
Remember that even in the case of the Superhero Comic book industry, and the Dr. Who tv show, it took a minimum of 5-7 years for them to go from their relative peak to woke collapse.
And I'm fairly safe in saying that 5e’s sales have not quite yet reached their peak. There is tremendous pop-culture inertia boosting D&D right now.
So at a minimum, once 5e’s peak selling point has been identified, we still have 5-7 years to watch the woke drive D&D into the ground.
And there are good reasons to believe that some unique features of the RPG market may lengthen that timeline.
1: RPG fans are very IP loyal. D&D fans will be very reluctant to abandon their beloved D&D for a non-woke competitor.
You can see this effect with the Pathfinder/4e situation. The instant D&D gave them a reason to come back with 5e, Pathfinder got buried in WOTC’s dust.
2: There is a big collector element in the RPG hobby. Whether or not the books get used or are even actually good, the relaxed release schedule WOTC has been following is tailor made for the ‘completists’ out there. Lots of book buying is happening just by IP collector inertia. (The Conan 2d20 game is a great example of this effect…)
3: D&D is the market leader. This is HUGE. See reasons 1&2!
With 4e WOTC created a viable competitor by accident with baizuo’s Pathfinder. But those same conditions are not around now. Plus baizuo is already woke as fuck, and IMHO mechanically going in the wrong direction to make a real impact into D&D when WOTC goes full woke. (Full woke is inevitable…)
Pathfinder was a very important check on 4e. It gave people an immediate, well supported alternative for playing “D&D” when 4e flung poo at itself. But baizuo as a company was in a unique position that made them essentially ready to go as a 4e competitor when that deuce dropped.
4e being straight up beat by 3e's clone was a big factor in the quick turnaround to 5e.
4: There is no current d20 RPG company on the horizon that is in a similar position to step into that viable competitor space when WOTC turns the woke dial to 11 and starts hating on its fanbase good and proper.
The cost of real competition is high. A full game + 3-6 supplements per year with great production values. It’s a tall fucking order...
People love their D&D, and they will walk away without a viable alternative rather than switch to a system like WHFRP.
I think that without a viable alternative to a future woke-as-fuck 6e D&D. WOTC will start to do to the RPG industry what DC and Marvel have done to American superhero comics.
I believe that D&D's
recent growth has been on such a scale that they could lose half of the current fanbase and still be the #1 selling RPG by a comfortable margin. And as long as SJW's can point to a WOKE D&D being the #1 RPG; they will continually declare complete and total victory.
And no, we cannot count on them learning their lesson once sales start to plummet.
We need to keep in mind that Marvel comics is still the "number one" superhero comics publisher
in a woke-collapsed industry.
And as of March 2021
they still think this is a good idea:
https://nerdist.com/article/marvel-introduces-lgbtq-captain-america-in-new-series/