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Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?

Started by Wrath of God, January 27, 2023, 03:51:08 PM

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Wrath of God

January 27, 2023, 03:51:08 PM
Well it seems WOTC dropped case of OGL 2.0/1.2 and also put SRD on Creative Commons.
That's unexpected for me, expected them to fought harder I must say.
Seems Twitter/FB outrage was enough for some CEO's to decide it's to much trouble for not enough money back.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1439-ogl-1-0a-creative-commons
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Dracones

#1
January 27, 2023, 04:06:42 PM
The SRD 5.1 under CC-BY-4.0 seems like a big deal. The only real "trap" is that some games used the 3.x SRDs which isn't CC licensed, but really the content of the 5.1 should cover their needs(monster names, spell names, stat blocks, etc). Also, Wizards can certainly release One DnD under whatever GSL they want.

But that really isn't a big deal. I don't think many people had issue with them releasing the new system under a restrictive license. It was the attempt to do that and force everyone into it that broke trust.

JRR

#2
January 27, 2023, 04:09:36 PM

It's irrelevant at this point.   There's nothing to prevent them from sneakily revoking 1.0a in the middle of the night after the hubbub dies down.    They've shown they can NEVER be trusted again.  Ever.  They are like an abusive spouse apologizing and promising to never hit us again.   Sorry, you get to violate my trust once, and once only.

DocJones

#3
January 27, 2023, 04:10:33 PM
They surrendered.  I'm pretty sure it was my survey comment "See you in court." that terrified them.

Jaeger

#4
January 27, 2023, 04:13:02 PM
Quote from: Wrath of God on January 27, 2023, 03:51:08 PM
Well it seems WOTC dropped case of OGL 2.0/1.2 and also put SRD on Creative Commons.
That's unexpected for me, expected them to fought harder I must say.
Seems Twitter/FB outrage was enough for some CEO's to decide it's to much trouble for not enough money back.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1439-ogl-1-0a-creative-commons

If they really do follow through with all that, then it means that they were literally scared to death of another 4e scenario where a clone would outsell the official brand.

That being said; I fully expect devious shenanigans to follow...
"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

Spinachcat

#5
January 27, 2023, 04:24:36 PM
This is a very big deal.

The survey didn't change their minds.

Their lawyers realized they were up shit creek in a swiss cheese canoe if a federal judge didn't agree with their reading of the OGL 1.0a.

Also, if their dreams of VTT 6e microtransaction nirvana come true, then nothing the dirty little dice tossing plebs do with their cheeto stained books matter.

If the future of gaming is really people staring at screens in their soiled undies talking with an AI chatbot DM, so be it. Let the one hobby become three separate and distinct hobbies - MMO RPGs, VTT RPGs and Tabletop RPGs.

GeekyBugle

#6
January 27, 2023, 04:25:24 PM
Quote from: Jaeger on January 27, 2023, 04:13:02 PM
Quote from: Wrath of God on January 27, 2023, 03:51:08 PM
Well it seems WOTC dropped case of OGL 2.0/1.2 and also put SRD on Creative Commons.
That's unexpected for me, expected them to fought harder I must say.
Seems Twitter/FB outrage was enough for some CEO's to decide it's to much trouble for not enough money back.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1439-ogl-1-0a-creative-commons

If they really do follow through with all that, then it means that they were literally scared to death of another 4e scenario where a clone would outsell the official brand.

That being said; I fully expect devious shenanigans to follow...

They already published the 5.1 SRD UNDER the CC By, there's no comming back from that, they can publish 5.2 and not have it under CC By but that's it.

Which means that all the guys using OGL for their D&D retroclones can just switch to the note they included. I think, someone smarter and with more legal knowledge than me needs to weight in.
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Krazz

#7
January 27, 2023, 04:30:38 PM
I find it telling that they said

QuoteThese live survey results are clear. You want OGL 1.0a. You want irrevocability. You like Creative Commons.

Then they go on to talk about CC stuff and keeping OGL 1.0a. What they're not doing is publishing OGL 1.0b, which should be identical to 10.a, except with an irrevocability clause. They're told us they know we want it, and the only reason I can see not to give it is that they still hope to revoke it in the future.

Mistwell

#8
January 27, 2023, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: JRR on January 27, 2023, 04:09:36 PM

It's irrelevant at this point.   There's nothing to prevent them from sneakily revoking 1.0a in the middle of the night after the hubbub dies down.    They've shown they can NEVER be trusted again.  Ever.  They are like an abusive spouse apologizing and promising to never hit us again.   Sorry, you get to violate my trust once, and once only.

Releasing entire SRD to creative commons does, in fact, prevent them from ever revoking it again. That's what that means.

Mistwell

#9
January 27, 2023, 04:35:40 PM Last Edit: January 27, 2023, 04:38:27 PM by Mistwell
Quote from: Krazz on January 27, 2023, 04:30:38 PM
I find it telling that they said

QuoteThese live survey results are clear. You want OGL 1.0a. You want irrevocability. You like Creative Commons.

Then they go on to talk about CC stuff and keeping OGL 1.0a. What they're not doing is publishing OGL 1.0b, which should be identical to 10.a, except with an irrevocability clause. They're told us they know we want it, and the only reason I can see not to give it is that they still hope to revoke it in the future.

Creative Commons does that better than anything they could possibly do with 1.0b. If people thought that was an option, they would have demanded that rather than 1.0b. Creative Commons is completely outside of their control forever once they publish to it. Way more irrevocable in all respects than a 1.0b could be.

You don't want a 1.0b. You want a CC, if you truly want confidence WOTC can never fuck with it again.

It's really a stunning move. It's like they just told their entire legal team to go fuck themselves. I didn't think was a move they would be willing to ever make.

Vile Traveller

#10
January 27, 2023, 04:46:00 PM
I presume they were well aware of how precarious their bluff was. Still, here's hoping everyone doesn't go flocking back to WotC's apron strings now.

GeekyBugle

#11
January 27, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: Vile Traveller on January 27, 2023, 04:46:00 PM
I presume they were well aware of how precarious their bluff was. Still, here's hoping everyone doesn't go flocking back to WotC's apron strings now.

Exactly!
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ruprecht

#12
January 27, 2023, 04:48:37 PM
88% do not want to publish TTRPG content under OGL 1.2.
90% would have to change some aspect of their business to accommodate OGL 1.2.
89% are dissatisfied with deauthorizing OGL 1.0a.
86% are dissatisfied with the draft VTT policy.
62% are satisfied with including Systems Reference Document (SRD) content in Creative Commons, and the majority of those who were dissatisfied asked for more SRD content in Creative Commons.

Those percentages are too low. They are lying again, but this time i find it more acceptable.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard

FingerRod

#13
January 27, 2023, 04:51:41 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on January 27, 2023, 04:35:40 PM
It's really a stunning move. It's like they just told their entire legal team to go fuck themselves. I didn't think was a move they would be willing to ever make.

100%. I think it was their best course of action given everything they have going on. I'd say this news cycle is about to quickly fade.

Crusader X

#14
January 27, 2023, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: DocJones on January 27, 2023, 04:10:33 PM
They surrendered.  I'm pretty sure it was my survey comment "See you in court." that terrified them.

Good job  :)
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