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Author Topic: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?  (Read 8350 times)

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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2023, 05:13:43 PM »
Ok, excuse my ignorance, sincerely.

My quick glance the other day was that the only portions of the 5e SRD being released to CC was all the mechanics stuff that is perhaps not even protectable anyway. Everything relating to classes, to spells, to magic items, everything else, was held back and will only be available under the more restrictive new OGL that is “replacing” 1.0a. Is this not a correct read of what they actually did?

Because if what I restate above is true, WOTC has essentially tried to have its cake and eat it too, by making a big announcement about CC and mollifying the barking press and less-knowledgeable people, but is effectively screwing everyone just as hard as before. But again, maybe I misread this or it changed very recently.

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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2023, 05:13:55 PM »
It’s probably something to do with this. Im not sure how.

I think maybe the D&D devision is going under no matter what, so this is a “well who cares at this point” idea.

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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2023, 05:17:15 PM »
Well it seems WOTC dropped case of OGL 2.0/1.2 and also put SRD on Creative Commons.
That's unexpected for me, expected them to fought harder I must say.
Seems Twitter/FB outrage was enough for some CEO's to decide it's to much trouble for not enough money back.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1439-ogl-1-0a-creative-commons

Given that they ALREADY released the ENTIRE 5.1 SRD under the CC-BY 4.0, they really did the serious, irrevocable thing. (IMO, IANAL)

Would like to see 3.5 also released under CC-BY, but that's just a pipe dream right now.

I'm thinking the upcoming D&Done VTT Edition is going to be a 6th Edition, and will not be CC-BY at all.
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2023, 05:17:54 PM »
Ok, excuse my ignorance, sincerely.

My quick glance the other day was that the only portions of the 5e SRD being released to CC was all the mechanics stuff that is perhaps not even protectable anyway. Everything relating to classes, to spells, to magic items, everything else, was held back and will only be available under the more restrictive new OGL that is “replacing” 1.0a. Is this not a correct read of what they actually did?

Because if what I restate above is true, WOTC has essentially tried to have its cake and eat it too, by making a big announcement about CC and mollifying the barking press and less-knowledgeable people, but is effectively screwing everyone just as hard as before. But again, maybe I misread this or it changed very recently.

They were putting a bit more than the mechanics under CC By.

But that has changed, now the whole 5.1 SRD IS under CC By 4.0 international.

If you're only using the mechanics and all your text is original you don't need them, but if you want to use ANYTHING in that SRD well now you can, forever.
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2023, 05:20:07 PM »
Well it seems WOTC dropped case of OGL 2.0/1.2 and also put SRD on Creative Commons.
That's unexpected for me, expected them to fought harder I must say.
Seems Twitter/FB outrage was enough for some CEO's to decide it's to much trouble for not enough money back.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1439-ogl-1-0a-creative-commons

Given that they ALREADY released the 5.1 SRD under the CC-BY 4.0, they really did the serious, irrevocable thing. (IMO, IANAL)

Would like to see 3.5 also released under CC-BY, but that's just a pipe dream right now.

I'm thinking the upcoming D&Done VTT Edition is going to be a 6th Edition, and will not be CC-BY at all.

Oh, yes, it's irrevocable, there's no comming back from it.

As for 3.5... Well, all it's needed is some creative people with time and passion to create a totally not 3.5 SRD out of the 5.1 one and put it under CC By.
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2023, 05:34:28 PM »
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2023, 05:40:12 PM »
Funny choice, if they were gonna release just one of the srd to the Creative Commons i would have guessed the 3.5 would be the one.
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2023, 05:41:36 PM »
Say, rather it's a sop. 5.1 will be the past fairly soon, so there's nothing lost by letting people keep doing what they've been doing.

There's no chance it'll be the same license for D&Done, so it'll be moot soon enough.


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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2023, 05:48:14 PM »
Say, rather it's a sop. 5.1 will be the past fairly soon, so there's nothing lost by letting people keep doing what they've been doing.

There's no chance it'll be the same license for D&Done, so it'll be moot soon enough.



So? If anyone wants to publish for whatever Wotzi shits out next they're welcome to sign their soul away.

We now have an unrevokable SRD, we can build from that backwards or innovate upon it in whatever direction we wish.

Or we can not use it at all and publish what we want.
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2023, 05:49:27 PM »
Funny choice, if they were gonna release just one of the srd to the Creative Commons i would have guessed the 3.5 would be the one.

Like I told Daddy Warpig, all it takes is for some passionate, creative people to take the 5.1 and create a totally not 3.5 SRD under the CC By.
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2023, 05:54:59 PM »
It is interesting that it isn't even Share Alike. CC-BY-SA could make some people think twice about putting their stuff under CC and, maybe, be dumb enough to remain under OGL 1.0a.

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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2023, 06:05:04 PM »
This is almost* total victory - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qGTO9fld1gqkWF3I8dPI5uY0933OxnOr/view

That's the entire 5e SRD there with a far more open licence than the OGL. No more 'Product Identity' shenanigans!

*The only way it could be better is releasing the 3e SRDs to CC too, giving a lot of descriptive text missing from the 5e SRD.

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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2023, 06:20:24 PM »
I like this, but I keep remembering Murphy's Laws of Combat, especially the one that says, "If your attack is going well, you have walked into an ambush."

WotC has demonstrated their intentions and this is too quick & easy a win.
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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2023, 06:23:55 PM »
I think they would rather keep people on the reservation "free of charge" then off of it for a fee.

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Re: Wizards surrendered? Or is it a trap?
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2023, 06:25:50 PM »
Seems like the best possible result at this point.

I will never use the OGL again regardless, but I like the idea of using CC, and I might even use their CC in the future - although TBH I am afraid there might be some trap in there as well (I do'nt see how, but anyway...).

The whole thing made me sour on D&D, however; probably the damage to their brand is partly irreparable.

(Also, unfortunately I was writing a book using 3e SRD text that I might change just to be sure).
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