The thing about d&d and ideology is that it throws in a whole bunch of different and incompatible ideologies, just as it does with other sources. It's the Conan teams up with Aragorn and Roland and Elric to fight Dracula & King Kong game.
I guess one could argue that pre wotc & paizo, liberal progressivism was notably lacking from the melange, but wotc started skewing the Alignment system over to liberal values with 3.0, with no huge effect on the core game.

Blue Rose clearly has a single consistent ideology.

Quote from: RPGPundit;823890That's quite the splitting of hairs there; are you seriously trying to claim that the authors had NO agenda, and that this agenda wasn't a pro-collectivist agenda?

You keep saying this, but I'm not sure what you mean by it. Maybe you should lay out the characteristics of a society you are referring to as collectivist.

After all, both Aldis and Jarzon are collectivist, the PRC and Japan are collectivist, traditional societies of all types are collectivist, team sports are collectivist, militaries are collectivist, hell, all societies are to some extent collectivist.  

By historical standards, given the lack of interest Aldean society has in mandating how individuals live their lives, Aldis is pretty individualistic.

Quote from: RPGPundit;823890That's quite the splitting of hairs there; are you seriously trying to claim that the authors had NO agenda, and that this agenda wasn't a pro-collectivist agenda?

Personally, I don't give a shit about secret agenda.

According to the primary setting author, he loved Mercedes Lackey novels and wanted to make a fantasy setting like that. His politics are liberal (as are Lackey's, as far as I know), but he created it to make a fantasy setting to his tastes, not as propaganda to try to win people over to a collectivist political views.

Maybe he was lying about that. I don't care.

The game is what it is, and in practice it plays fine - I enjoyed all the adventures I've run with it. Like all fiction, one can analyze the setting for meaning and correctly tease out the author's ideologies - or you can be like a lot of literary analysis and just spout a ton of bullshit. Still, it's just a damn game. I can read books, watch movies, and play games even when the author doesn't align to my political views - although I'm sure that factors into which works I like.

I wasn't a big fan of the Magic Deer or the politics of Blue Rose, and I'm sure as shit not going to support it this round.

That said, I don't begrudge the game's right to exist, I simply won't throw any money at it.

It might be amusing to drop Yharnam (from the Bloodborne video game) into the setting to see what develops.

The Blood Moon rises over Aldis, the Queen turns into some sort of insane giant wolf monster, and the Magic Deer is revealed to be one of the extradimensional Great Ones named Kevashalax.

And the Queen's Royal Guard, who witness her transformation into a giant wolf beast, drop their weapons and say "a'ight, fuck this shit, I'm out."

Quote from: apparition13;823923You keep saying this, but I'm not sure what you mean by it. Maybe you should lay out the characteristics of a society you are referring to as collectivist.

After all, both Aldis and Jarzon are collectivist, the PRC and Japan are collectivist, traditional societies of all types are collectivist, team sports are collectivist, militaries are collectivist, hell, all societies are to some extent collectivist.  
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You certainly make a good point. I should have stated Collectivism according to progressive middle-class west-coast (Seattle/Oregon) ideology.

Quote from: jhkim;823943Personally, I don't give a shit about secret agenda.

I think that in the context of their KS announcement and the comments that have been spread around by BR's supporters, it's pretty clear that "secret" is not part of the description.

Quote from: RPGPundit;824074You certainly make a good point. I should have stated Collectivism according to progressive middle-class west-coast (Seattle/Oregon) ideology.

That should be Seattle/Portland; these urban centers (and their suburbs) are quite different from the rest of their respective states.

Quote from: Lynn;824160That should be Seattle/Portland; these urban centers (and their suburbs) are quite different from the rest of their respective states.

Yes.