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Author Topic: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision  (Read 48768 times)

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #330 on: January 09, 2022, 11:19:16 PM »
RAW sexiness added to AC. Hilarious

One of the Lone Wolf and Cub movies had a female assassin with tattoo on her breast that she'd flash to confuse/distract her target. So there is something of a precedent in movies as well as Game mechanics. Just thought I'd add that bit of trivia in case anyone else has another example.

That's directly from the manga as well which goes out of its way to highlight how incredibly painful such tattoos would be and that she endured that pain as part of her revenge.

I cannot recommend the Lone Wolf & Cub manga enough. It is amazingly good and presents a genuinely complex look at various attitudes & cultural practices during the time. Ogami Itto is in a rare class of all-time great fictional characters especially in comic form.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #331 on: January 10, 2022, 03:36:33 AM »
Ok I accept your apology and apologize myself for getting a little too hot.

I still disagree with the general consensus here. But this place just pretty much sticks their fingers in their ears and screams SJW at anything that doesn't follow their own narrative. My problem was that I take it personally which drives my responses more aggressive as a result.

Yeah, this site can raise your blood pressure if you take things personally. Some posters can be very confrontational. But the "wild west" nature can lead to some interesting discussions.

As far as chainmail bikinis go - I've never liked strictly "chainmail bikini" illustrations, but I am fine with some revealing outfits. I think revealing outfits *can be* a sign of unequal treatment of women, but they aren't necessarily. I wouldn't put either realism or lack of revealing outfits as something I look for -- but having female figures be heroic and varied is something I do look for.

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« Reply #332 on: January 10, 2022, 12:03:19 PM »
Who suffers from depicting women in chainmail bikinis exactly?

Fat girls?

I've seen fat girls wearing chainmail bikinis - but this is anecdotal evidence. I'm looking for serious answers here. SERIOUS. ANSWERS.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #333 on: January 10, 2022, 12:46:07 PM »
Who suffers from depicting women in chainmail bikinis exactly?


The Wokerati. So by all means we need more chainmail bikinis. ;)

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #334 on: January 10, 2022, 01:30:30 PM »
I still disagree with the general consensus here. But this place just pretty much sticks their fingers in their ears and screams SJW at anything that doesn't follow their own narrative. My problem was that I take it personally which drives my responses more aggressive as a result.
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There is no "narrative" here, as far as I can tell. We don't like people telling us what we can and cannot think about or talk about. Maybe that's a narrative. You want to judge people for liking chainmail bikinis? That's your right. But don't expect people to stay silent and don't expect some deus ex machina to arrive and smite them.


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« Reply #335 on: January 10, 2022, 01:40:26 PM »
I don't agree with dogpiling either and I get into fights on this forum sometimes as well. But fixable did come in with arms swinging. Not 'I dislike chainmail bikinis. Its 'Evolve grognards! D&D is #Adult'.
After that you followed it up with a host of really weak excuses and never came back to your original point of '#adulting, this is also totally excluding me by not catering to me'.

You at least stuck around, so that gives you some backbone. And thats good.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #336 on: January 10, 2022, 01:50:32 PM »
Wild West? This place ain’t the Wild West. It’s Mos Eisely. Which I guess if you think about it really is a town like the Old West…

Point being: here you won’t get bushwhacked by some woke scolds, here folks simply use both barrels at you and blast away.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #337 on: January 10, 2022, 03:20:07 PM »
Who suffers from depicting women in chainmail bikinis exactly?

Fat girls?

I've seen fat girls wearing chainmail bikinis - but this is anecdotal evidence. I'm looking for serious answers here. SERIOUS. ANSWERS.


A combination. Fat girls in chain mail bikinis hurt me quite a lot. Still haven’t fully recovered sight in my left eye after that last incident.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #338 on: January 11, 2022, 09:07:39 AM »
If you want to make the argument that chainmail bikinis are impractical and uncomfortable, that's a reasonable tack to take.

(remember, typically you wore a quilted garment under the chainmail to prevent chafing)

Heck, there's a minor gag in the Azure Bonds novels about Alias's chain shirt, which has a ridiculous amount of cleavage. But it's also heavily enchanted and that bare spot is NOT vulnerable. Dragonbait actually disapproves of the shirt (well, he IS a paladin). Good times and fun lampshading.

But complaining about cheesecake is pretty damned hypocritical if you don't complain about beefcake as well.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #339 on: January 11, 2022, 09:16:19 AM »
Well that is the hypocrisy of the SJW Wokescolds it’s only bad if the art is female cheesecake art. Me. Who cares it’s only men.

Before the Paizo forums become woke their was a thread about Seoni their Iconic Sorcerer wore too revealing clothes and the Wokescolds predictability clutched their pearls. When it was pointed out that Sajan their Iconic Monk went about bare chested the equally predictable response was it’s not the same thing.

So it’s ok for a male character to be topless yet give a female character some sexy attire and it suddenly becomes problematic.   

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #340 on: January 11, 2022, 10:38:25 AM »
Well that is the hypocrisy of the SJW Wokescolds it’s only bad if the art is female cheesecake art. Me. Who cares it’s only men.

Before the Paizo forums become woke their was a thread about Seoni their Iconic Sorcerer wore too revealing clothes and the Wokescolds predictability clutched their pearls. When it was pointed out that Sajan their Iconic Monk went about bare chested the equally predictable response was it’s not the same thing.

So it’s ok for a male character to be topless yet give a female character some sexy attire and it suddenly becomes problematic.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #341 on: January 11, 2022, 05:39:02 PM »
If you want to make the argument that chainmail bikinis are impractical and uncomfortable, that's a reasonable tack to take.

(remember, typically you wore a quilted garment under the chainmail to prevent chafing)

As far as I am aware neither chaffing nor being uncomfortable gives your character any kind of mechanical penalties.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #342 on: January 14, 2022, 01:18:02 AM »
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As far as chainmail bikinis go - I've never liked strictly "chainmail bikini" illustrations, but I am fine with some revealing outfits. I think revealing outfits *can be* a sign of unequal treatment of women, but they aren't necessarily....

And this is an inherently false idea.


Who suffers from depicting women in chainmail bikinis exactly?

Absolutely nobody.

The "chainmail bikini" concept predates RPG's seeing as how Red Sonja was created in 1973.

And "chainmail bikini's" as a thing in RPG's have pretty much been just a sideshow in RPG art since the beginning.

The "pushback" against chainmail bikini type of art is just one of those things in retrospect that shows the wokescolds have always been around, and things have just gotten to a point where they think they can finally impose their views on everyone else...


Well that is the hypocrisy of the SJW Wokescolds it’s only bad if the art is female cheesecake art. Me. Who cares it’s only men.

Before the Paizo forums become woke their was a thread about Seoni their Iconic Sorcerer wore too revealing clothes and the Wokescolds predictability clutched their pearls. When it was pointed out that Sajan their Iconic Monk went about bare chested the equally predictable response was it’s not the same thing.
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The only standard SJW's have is that they have no standards. a.k.a. Rules for thee, and not for me.

It is all about power. Getting you to kow-tow to their dictates.

Brad Walker does a good summary:https://bradfordcwalker.blogspot.com/2022/01/narrative-warfare-how-bad-actors.html
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"Chainmail bikini" art hurts no one.

Certainly not the 61% of D&D players that are males, according to WotC's own survey results.

"But, but, the same WotC survey shows that 39% of D&D players are women! What about them you sexist pig!?"

To that, all I shall say is that this is the cover of a Red Sonja comic from 1975:



And this is the most recent cover of ELLE magazine*; readily available in grocery stores everywhere in the US. In plain view, to be seen by all and sundry:




* FYI: Elle is the world's largest women's fashion magazine. As in a magazine made by women for women, to appeal to as wide an audience of women as possible...
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #343 on: January 14, 2022, 10:48:52 AM »
Certainly not the 61% of D&D players that are males, according to WotC's own survey results.

"But, but, the same WotC survey shows that 39% of D&D players are women!

So WotC is claiming with those statistics that there are only two genders? Not very "evolved" after all, eh?

(Unless of course limiting percentages to "100" is racist now.)
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« Reply #344 on: January 14, 2022, 11:24:58 AM »
It's actually pretty badass to go into battle half naked. It's a statement: Here's my flesh to cut, if you dare.

Gauls/Celts fought naked, at least we think some of them did.
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