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Author Topic: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision  (Read 8409 times)

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #90 on: November 24, 2021, 07:39:47 AM »
I won’t automatically discount it going well it could be a mega hit or mega flop.

Though they deserve to go broke for being woke imo.


Even before the announcement I was and am getting tired of new editions. Between being married and life in general and the general wokeness of the company, l can’t keep justifying personally and financially to keep buying new editions of RPGs. After a certain point how many editions of an RPGs can one store let alone play.

I have four or is it five editions of D&D a mix of old and new. Unless they make it faster and easier to run than what I have then a hard pass from me.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #91 on: November 24, 2021, 09:28:38 AM »
This is the first edition of DnD to be helmed by total mediocrities. Every other edition has something the designs can point to as their masterpiece. What does Perkins, Crawford et al have?

Nothing.

Aside from the most popular edition of the world's most popular RPG lmao

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #92 on: November 24, 2021, 10:14:01 AM »
Of course it's "evolved". The creators are being written out of the official history.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #93 on: November 24, 2021, 07:13:33 PM »
Given that the standard 2.4 is actually closer to 1 3/4" by 3 3/4" once dressed, that part doesn't matter all that much. The dressing is more that the judicious rounding on millimeters.
Dressing? This ain't a salad. Rough-sawn 2x4s are that dimension, but standard ones are 1.5x3.5 inches. Quite often 1 9/16" x 3 9/16" when they're still wet.

On topic, I wonder if 5e Evolved or whatever is just going to end up being known as 6e. "D&D Next" didn't catch on either.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2021, 02:53:20 PM »
This is the first edition of DnD to be helmed by total mediocrities. Every other edition has something the designs can point to as their masterpiece. What does Perkins, Crawford et al have?

Nothing.

Aside from the most popular edition of the world's most popular RPG lmao

They were not the creators of that RPG, though. They "have" the Good Name of that edition on their side, which is an advantage to be sure. But 4e's designers had the Good Name of 3e to bank on, and then completely tanked when they put out a Shit Edition anyways.

And just like with 4e, look for D&D CRT Edition to SHIT ALL OVER 5e, in this case talking about how bigoted and transphobic and White-male-oriented and Colonialist it was and how anyone who ever like it (or maybe even played it) was a Literal Nazi.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #95 on: November 26, 2021, 10:16:38 AM »
This is the first edition of DnD to be helmed by total mediocrities. Every other edition has something the designs can point to as their masterpiece. What does Perkins, Crawford et al have?

Nothing.

Aside from the most popular edition of the world's most popular RPG lmao

They were not the creators of that RPG, though. They "have" the Good Name of that edition on their side, which is an advantage to be sure. But 4e's designers had the Good Name of 3e to bank on, and then completely tanked when they put out a Shit Edition anyways.

And just like with 4e, look for D&D CRT Edition to SHIT ALL OVER 5e, in this case talking about how bigoted and transphobic and White-male-oriented and Colonialist it was and how anyone who ever like it (or maybe even played it) was a Literal Nazi.

They're at the point where 5e (and PF, for that matter) is mature enough where they can't leave well enough alone and have to find "something" to "improve" it. They're the TTRPG publisher equivalent of the ACLU who also needs to justify their continued existence.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #96 on: November 27, 2021, 01:27:05 AM »
This is the first edition of DnD to be helmed by total mediocrities. Every other edition has something the designs can point to as their masterpiece. What does Perkins, Crawford et al have?

Nothing.

Aside from the most popular edition of the world's most popular RPG lmao

They were not the creators of that RPG, though. They "have" the Good Name of that edition on their side, which is an advantage to be sure. But 4e's designers had the Good Name of 3e to bank on, and then completely tanked when they put out a Shit Edition anyways.

And just like with 4e, look for D&D CRT Edition to SHIT ALL OVER 5e, in this case talking about how bigoted and transphobic and White-male-oriented and Colonialist it was and how anyone who ever like it (or maybe even played it) was a Literal Nazi.


Pundit, they are going to shit upon the entire D&D catalog; from its humble wargaming roots, right up to the present day hobby.  It must be redefined, and purged of its offensive content.  And the current project managers want to cement their legacy of "fixing" D&D.  No matter what they do, they will fail; because no amount of change will ever be enough.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #97 on: November 27, 2021, 02:20:39 PM »
It's easier to work with, in certain contexts.  By the same token, in certain contexts hexadecimal or even binary are easier.  Sometimes "natural" units are easier.

This is why I find all this discussion between metric and imperial wrt the moon landing so amusing. I spent a good decade writing industrial control software and we didn't use either measuring system. Time was tracked by clock cycles. Distances were measure as the number of clock cycles between two inputs. Even analog measuring devices, such as scales, were converted to digital by the sensor's manufacturer in some arbitrary way so those numbers didn't have units either. The only time you'd convert those internal units to meters or feet is for display or for sending it to another computer system. And it's just as easy to fail by mixing mm and cm as it is to fail by mixing meters and feet.

IOW, in a digital age, there is no advantage or disadvantage to using metric over imperial. Either of them requires a conversion to display and that conversion takes exactly as much computer power regardless of the units being used.

Cool!  Nice to see a fellow controls engineer on the boards.  I work in other industries, though.

And wrt to units, if I'm doing physics, I'll convert everything to metric.  Otherwise the best unit system is the one you're most familiar with.  Switching has a real cost in time, effort, mistakes made along the way, frustration, and reworking equipment.  Outside of science and engineering, there's really not a compelling reason to use one over the other.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #98 on: November 30, 2021, 10:01:29 AM »
Seems like D&D is less likely to be evolved than gelded and chained to the turning arm of a pump or mill like a draft horse, where the pump is a youtube show, and online play app, and a Hot Topic shelf as ab afterthought. Buy t-shirts and pops.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #99 on: November 30, 2021, 09:18:00 PM »
Seems like D&D is less likely to be evolved than gelded and chained to the turning arm of a pump or mill like a draft horse, where the pump is a youtube show, and online play app, and a Hot Topic shelf as ab afterthought. Buy t-shirts and pops.

More people are actually playing D&D today than ever played it before. And that's not an non-sequitur to your comment, it just takes some thought as to why that's relevant to what you claimed.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #100 on: November 30, 2021, 09:39:41 PM »
Seems like D&D is less likely to be evolved than gelded and chained to the turning arm of a pump or mill like a draft horse, where the pump is a youtube show, and online play app, and a Hot Topic shelf as ab afterthought. Buy t-shirts and pops.

More people are actually playing D&D today than ever played it before. And that's not an non-sequitur to your comment, it just takes some thought as to why that's relevant to what you claimed.

Comics were always a loose leader for WB/Disney, the money is in the licenses.

Which is why you see this move to turn everything into a "Life-Brand". You don't need to play D&D to nuy funkos, comics, T-Shirts, etc. And WotC/Hasbro makes money of that with exactly zero risk. Because they get paid BEFORE anything is sold.

So, a hit movie/tv show/youtube scripted campaign are better for them than a better game. They got money upfront for the first two & the third one doesn't cost them a penny.

So, as long as the twitteratzis keep on promoting them for being part of the DIE cult (and their ratting keeps the stock valuable), the licenses will keep on getting sold at increasing prices. As long as the junk keeps on selling they could stop producing D&D or give it away for free and still not lose money in the process.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #101 on: November 30, 2021, 10:05:12 PM »
I actually saw D&D licensed candy in the store (and not some generic brand). Which was practically unthinkable for D&D for the last 20+ years.

Before, I was saddened at the idea that the worst edition of D&D would be the one to get the mass acclaim. But having familiarized myself with how reboots and marketting work as a whole, it makes perfect sense.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #102 on: December 01, 2021, 02:41:20 AM »

They're at the point where 5e (and PF, for that matter) is mature enough where they can't leave well enough alone and have to find "something" to "improve" it. They're the TTRPG publisher equivalent of the ACLU who also needs to justify their continued existence.

... the current project managers want to cement their legacy of "fixing" D&D.  No matter what they do, they will fail; because no amount of change will ever be enough.

Well, the "it won't be a new edition of D&D", for the 50th anniversary "evolved" edition of 5e has begun...

Behold, the new WotC survey on D&D spells from the 5e PHB:

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2021, 07:23:32 PM »
Soon we're going to be at the 50th anniversary.

Wonder how theyre going to cash in on that, and how SJW it's going to be. Because the SJWs are just going to keep right on winning.

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« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2021, 07:28:41 PM »
Something as shallow as having really nice looking covers, with a 50th Anniversary logo; will help sell a lot books from the outset.

Quite possible. The second Star Wars Disney movie sold pretty well too, because people were rushing to see it. But as a result of that, there was a massive backlash.


Years ago (it might have been 1998) when those prequels were about to come out there was a Vanity Fair article about the first one. Lucas said there would only be six and that was that, it would not be a nine-movie thing. A comic called "Dandy and Company" had a robot dog that got an army of nerds after him and his friends by saying he had all nine movies in his memory.

Those sequels were never supposed to exist. There was no possible way the first one, and probably the second, weren't going to make millions. And people would se the third just to get it all.