Quote from: rytrasmi on September 30, 2021, 09:18:57 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 08:14:17 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on September 30, 2021, 08:10:48 PM
Here's hoping they jump the shark and go full SJW on this one. It will push more regular people into other games and the OSR. The only thing D&D has at this point that other games and the OSR lack is a large player base. So more players moving away from D&D can only be a good thing!

You're assuming that if they move away from D&D they'll move to another RPG. I have my doubts that will happen. Instead, if D&D tanks, the RPG industry as a whole will hit a low.

I'm making no assumptions; I'm observing what is happening around me. People diffuse from D&D to the OSR and other games all the time. Look at places like Reddit or wherever for loads posts like "I've only played 5e what other games should I try now?" Do you ever see the opposite? "I've only played OSR games, should I try 5e." Ridiculous.

Its popularity makes D&D the gateway drug. If it suddenly starts causing worse side effects, the options are quit or move to another game. Yeah, low effort normies who only play because their friends play might quit. But people actually interested in the hobby who can't deal with the SJW nonsense will move. It happens today, and D&D nosediving into Wokeland 4 years from will make it happen more.

Plus, what GeekyBugle said.

So taking away the gateway drug (or at least making it less appealing) might draw in some of those that have already tasted it, but after that... Your gateway is gone, and how many players start right off with OSR or other less-known games? That brief surge might look appealing for someone looking to drop product to make a few bucks, but I don't believe it will be sustainable without a strong D&D to keep pulling in new blood.

If it does badly enough maybe they will sell the license to someone who will do a better job with It. There's probably too much money in the IP for that to happen,  but I'm an optimist. At the very least, perhaps my like-new 1st printing books will become valuable someday. They still have the consultants listed in the credits!

If D&D tanks you would see the collapse of the current fad, and this would lead to an important percentage of exclusive 5e players just quitting, and others just continuing to play the older edition in their own groups.

A certain percentage would move to other games, particularly if we saw a Pathfinder-style scenario, where a direct rival appeared made to appeal to 5e gamers (and with enough corporate power to promote it enough).

Some would migrate to other existing games, some would look at the OSR.

But of course, the current mass-popularity of D&D would collapse.

The hobby itself would continue. And if you later saw a new edition that corrected the insanity (like that 5e was for 4e) you might see another revival.  It would probably take about a decade though.

I'm hoping pronouns will be included as part of the character sheet, preferably replacing some of those unimportant numbers like Constitution. I'd also appreciate if the Rule 0 wording is changed to, "If any player at the table at any point says something that you don't approve of, you are fully justified in yelling at them and harassing them on social media #inclusivity."

Quote from: rytrasmi on September 30, 2021, 09:18:57 PM
Look at places like Reddit or wherever for loads posts like "I've only played 5e what other games should I try now?" Do you ever see the opposite? "I've only played OSR games, should I try 5e."

I see the latter on Dragonsfoot, and have myself recruited some grognards over to 5e fans, so yes it does happen.

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 08:14:17 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on September 30, 2021, 08:10:48 PM
Here's hoping they jump the shark and go full SJW on this one. It will push more regular people into other games and the OSR. The only thing D&D has at this point that other games and the OSR lack is a large player base. So more players moving away from D&D can only be a good thing!

You're assuming that if they move away from D&D they'll move to another RPG. I have my doubts that will happen. Instead, if D&D tanks, the RPG industry as a whole will hit a low.

I disagree. We already experienced a period of years, after 4e came out, when D&D was not only not the top game but it wasn't even selling and the industry did just fine. People will always find another 800 lb gorilla to gravitate to.

Quote from: Mad Tom on September 30, 2021, 02:40:25 PM

Quote from: horsesoldier on September 30, 2021, 01:46:51 PM
Where is Mike Mearls? You know, the only guy with talent in the bunch...

He got moved off tabletop and onto the Baldur's Gate III team last year.

That's good to hear actually. I regret ever looking at his Twitter of course, but MM has done some excellent design. He continues the grand tradition of RPG writers getting poached into vidya.

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 30, 2021, 11:17:50 PM
If D&D tanks you would see the collapse of the current fad, and this would lead to an important percentage of exclusive 5e players just quitting, and others just continuing to play the older edition in their own groups.

A certain percentage would move to other games, particularly if we saw a Pathfinder-style scenario, where a direct rival appeared made to appeal to 5e gamers (and with enough corporate power to promote it enough).

Some would migrate to other existing games, some would look at the OSR.

But of course, the current mass-popularity of D&D would collapse.

The hobby itself would continue. And if you later saw a new edition that corrected the insanity (like that 5e was for 4e) you might see another revival.  It would probably take about a decade though.

Yeah that's pretty solid analysis.

In the meantime this *will* give other systems a chance to grow. While most new players in the hobby will disperse, a lot of the players that stick around will find whatever else is popular. The loss of D&D will not grossly affect people that play non-D&D systems as their go-to.

The hobby itself isn't going anywhere.

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 30, 2021, 12:38:26 AM
  Logo proposal.

A goatse reference in 2021?  Warms my relatively old bitter heart.

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 01, 2021, 01:31:47 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 30, 2021, 12:38:26 AM
  Logo proposal.

A goatse reference in 2021?  Warms my relatively old bitter heart.

  I didn't even catch that. This sucker's got layers of meaning!

I expect that there will be a sizable chunk of the 5E fan base that will continue to use the books they already own, rather than feeling obligated to purchase the same books all over again, + various pronouns and safe spaces.

I predict that a bunch of new players will purchase the new materials, because that is what will be available on store shelves and amazonk at the time; complete with shiny new artwork.

If people want the original 5E books, they are almost as common as air.  They can most definitely be found.  So many copies have been printed.

Strixhaven sucked.  I'm sure they will draw inspiration from it though....  Strixhaven, and Tasha's probably paint a pretty accurate picture of 5.5.  I thought Tasha's was a great excuse to jump off the 5E bandwagon.  Xanathar's was really the finishing touch to the core 3 books I could justify, but I ended up with Tasha's as a gift anyway.  There sure are a lot of different Rangers in 5E now.

There's a petition to try to convince WoTC to convert all measurement in the next edition into metric:
https://www.change.org/p/wizards-of-the-coast-please-consider-a-metric-system-version-for-dungeons-dragons-5-5-6th-edition

ROFL

Quote from: mightybrain on October 02, 2021, 07:41:58 AM
There's a petition to try to convince WoTC to convert all measurement in the next edition into metric:
https://www.change.org/p/wizards-of-the-coast-please-consider-a-metric-system-version-for-dungeons-dragons-5-5-6th-edition

ROFL

Unless I am reading it wrong, it seems they only thing being requested is the same level of support for the metric system WotC has provided for 5e. I don't think that request is out of bounds at all.

However, like a lot of change.org, choosing this platform with this approach is laughable, which is where I think you were going with this. There are many ways this request could me made, including...I don't know...waiting to see a product roadmap, AMA, or maybe wait more than 20 minutes after the announcement to start mobilizing the next quest.

Just looking at the names, the signees are probably more likely to listen to Hasslehoff than Creed, so I can understand the importance of having the metric system version. Of course this way, they get to be a pseudo-activist, so erection achieved I suppose.

Quote from: mightybrain on October 02, 2021, 07:41:58 AM
There's a petition to try to convince WoTC to convert all measurement in the next edition into metric:
https://www.change.org/p/wizards-of-the-coast-please-consider-a-metric-system-version-for-dungeons-dragons-5-5-6th-edition

ROFL

If anyting, you'll get the "rough equivalencies" approach with something like 1 meter = 1 yard, 1 kilogram = 2 pounds, and 3 kilometers = 2 miles. In many fantasy games, that's probably close enough anyways.

Quote from: FingerRod on October 02, 2021, 10:05:02 AM

Quote from: mightybrain on October 02, 2021, 07:41:58 AM
There's a petition to try to convince WoTC to convert all measurement in the next edition into metric:
https://www.change.org/p/wizards-of-the-coast-please-consider-a-metric-system-version-for-dungeons-dragons-5-5-6th-edition

ROFL

Unless I am reading it wrong, it seems they only thing being requested is the same level of support for the metric system WotC has provided for 5e. I don't think that request is out of bounds at all.

However, like a lot of change.org, choosing this platform with this approach is laughable, which is where I think you were going with this. There are many ways this request could me made, including...I don't know...waiting to see a product roadmap, AMA, or maybe wait more than 20 minutes after the announcement to start mobilizing the next quest.

Just looking at the names, the signees are probably more likely to listen to Hasslehoff than Creed, so I can understand the importance of having the metric system version. Of course this way, they get to be a pseudo-activist, so erection achieved I suppose.

As a Mexican the imperial system sucks monkey balls. That being said since I'm not having to do much math with it I can happily ignore it's suckiness.

As a global megacorp, it surprizes me Hasbro hasn't made WotC include a conversion table for easy use, but then again, maybe their main market doesn't use the metric system in their everyday life?

Agreed that this is inactivism at it's finest.