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Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« on: September 29, 2021, 11:55:56 PM »
Wizards has announced they will be making a new "evolved" edition of the D&D core books. It's easy to guess what "evolution" they plan to impose on gamers.


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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2021, 12:38:26 AM »
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2021, 03:30:13 AM »
"Get the **** out so everyone can play!" - ain't that just perfect the perfect motto for them, too. *chases everyone off* "Which -ism can we blame for our lack of players this time?" and *repeat*
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2021, 09:25:34 AM »
Here's to this flopping like fish on on land.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2021, 09:39:47 AM »
"Get the **** out so everyone can play!" - ain't that just perfect the perfect motto for them, too. *chases everyone off* "Which -ism can we blame for our lack of players this time?" and *repeat*
 
  WotC has always had 'fire the current fans' as a component of their approach to new D&D editions--they did it with 3E, with 4E, and even with 5E, although in the odd-numbered cases, it's somewhat disguised by the 'chasing the 1E nostalgia' element they also built into the marketing.

  Given 5E's success, though, I expect this time will look a bit different--more a 'double down on all the new fans and forget the old ones.'

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2021, 01:46:51 PM »
Where is Mike Mearls? You know, the only guy with talent in the bunch...

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2021, 02:40:25 PM »
Where is Mike Mearls? You know, the only guy with talent in the bunch...

He got moved off tabletop and onto the Baldur's Gate III team last year.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2021, 02:59:55 PM »
Mechanically, there's nothing really wrong with 5e that can't be tweaked with an addendum or a few house rules.
Unless they wanted to ditch the archetypes and pull the mechanics out of the backgrounds, making character creation quicker. (Side effect: When character generation is quicker, that's one less bit of resistance to deadlier games... ;) )
This might fit the idea of making the game more accessible by simplifying things player-side.

Unfortunately, speculation leans towards cultural shifts. Stamping X-cards and consent forms into PHBs. 

We have 2 years to speculate, and the rest of our lives to ignore 5.5, playing other games if we wish.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2021, 03:15:21 PM »
Where is Mike Mearls? You know, the only guy with talent in the bunch...
He got moved off tabletop and onto the Baldur's Gate III team last year.

Reading between the lines in social media and in interviews. I think that Crawford, Perkins etc, didn’t particularly agree with Mearl’s vision for 5e, and were glad to see the back of him.

Notice how the increase in the book publishing schedule, and the changes in 5e lore, alignment, race, etc, all happened after Mearl’s was replaced as the head of D&D…


  Given 5E's success, though, I expect this time will look a bit different--more a 'double down on all the new fans and forget the old ones.'

They are betting that the ‘new’ D&D fans now overwhelmingly outnumber the grognards, and even if they do drop a good portion of the older player base, they’ll still be the number one RPG by orders of magnitude.

They have been wanting to drop the old guard since the 4e era, and they’ll never have a better chance than in 2024 to finally pull it off given 5e’s meteoric popularity.


I do disagree with Pundit on two of his points:

1: 5e would eventually need a revision of some kind even with the core rules. With 1-20 level HP escalation, 5e runs into the same scaling issues that 3e did, just in a bit milder form. They did not iron out all the kinks during the playtest.

And once the game hits the wild, more issues would be revealed. So a revision to smooth/balance out known issues would be inevitable.

But that would not be too much of a change unless they started publishing splat books adding more feats, classes, and rules for doing different things. Which are also impossible to fully playtest before publication.

Which is exactly what WotC did.


 2: I think that the 50th 'not-edition' will be a solid 5.5+ edition of the game.

As a follow up to what I just wrote: There are just too many small things that they want to change, and too many rules from splat books that they want to incorporate back into the core rules that they will have to go through and re-balance to make them work with all the other changes.

The accumulation of all these “small changes” will have a cascade effect that will push them into doing a full on 5.5+ ‘not-edition’.

And that is completely leaving aside the fact that in the announcement video WotC has openly said they will do a new round of survey’s asking their ‘players’ how they can make the "Evolved" D&D Revision better…


IMHO they are relying on the idea of it being a “50th anniversary release” to give them the cover to do all this with minimal pushback from the player base.

And as I said in the: “It seems like we're really getting 5.5e in 2024” thread; everyone should take claims of “Fully Compatible” with a grain of salt.

Interestingly enough on other forums their is very little pushback on the 50AE ‘not-edition’. If anything it seems that people are exited that they will see various “fixes” being implemented…

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2021, 06:52:53 PM »
As I noted, no "revised edition" has actually really succeeded.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2021, 07:48:12 PM »
As I noted, no "revised edition" has actually really succeeded.
I like Star Wars 2e Revised & Expanded. Shadow of the Demon Lord Revised is nice too.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2021, 08:10:48 PM »
Here's hoping they jump the shark and go full SJW on this one. It will push more regular people into other games and the OSR. The only thing D&D has at this point that other games and the OSR lack is a large player base. So more players moving away from D&D can only be a good thing!

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2021, 08:14:17 PM »
Here's hoping they jump the shark and go full SJW on this one. It will push more regular people into other games and the OSR. The only thing D&D has at this point that other games and the OSR lack is a large player base. So more players moving away from D&D can only be a good thing!
You're assuming that if they move away from D&D they'll move to another RPG. I have my doubts that will happen. Instead, if D&D tanks, the RPG industry as a whole will hit a low.

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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2021, 08:38:44 PM »
Here's hoping they jump the shark and go full SJW on this one. It will push more regular people into other games and the OSR. The only thing D&D has at this point that other games and the OSR lack is a large player base. So more players moving away from D&D can only be a good thing!
You're assuming that if they move away from D&D they'll move to another RPG. I have my doubts that will happen. Instead, if D&D tanks, the RPG industry as a whole will hit a low.

Meaning the normies will drop out together with the ppl wanting to use the hobby to change the world into their commie utopia.

That's a win in my book.
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Re: Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2021, 09:18:57 PM »
Here's hoping they jump the shark and go full SJW on this one. It will push more regular people into other games and the OSR. The only thing D&D has at this point that other games and the OSR lack is a large player base. So more players moving away from D&D can only be a good thing!
You're assuming that if they move away from D&D they'll move to another RPG. I have my doubts that will happen. Instead, if D&D tanks, the RPG industry as a whole will hit a low.
I'm making no assumptions; I'm observing what is happening around me. People diffuse from D&D to the OSR and other games all the time. Look at places like Reddit or wherever for loads posts like "I've only played 5e what other games should I try now?" Do you ever see the opposite? "I've only played OSR games, should I try 5e." Ridiculous.

Its popularity makes D&D the gateway drug. If it suddenly starts causing worse side effects, the options are quit or move to another game. Yeah, low effort normies who only play because their friends play might quit. But people actually interested in the hobby who can't deal with the SJW nonsense will move. It happens today, and D&D nosediving into Wokeland 4 years from will make it happen more.

Plus, what GeekyBugle said.