Quote from: Tavis;369049Sadly, my member becomes more old-school with every passing day.

Hahaha. Well, maybe it'll have its own OSR one day.  

Pete

Quote from: pspahn;369062Hahaha. Well, maybe it'll have its own OSR one day.  

Ladies and Gentlemen, great things have been accomplished here today.

Quote from: Akrasia;369059Hmm ... 'participants' would have been more apt.

I liked "tools"...

-clash

Quote from: Settembrini;369061Benoist, heretic aka Phantom Black is utterly w/o clue re: RPGs, he hasn´t played too much of what you would recognize as such. Just so that you know.

I read the thread after answering the OP. So... you've got some fights on German RPG forums too? I would have imagined something more... civilized, German-way. You know. "Alles in Ordnung" and everything.

We're talking about the same guys who came up with "Wenn schon, denn schon", though, now that I think of it.

I tease! I tease.

Quote from: Melan;369063Ladies and Gentlemen, great things have been accomplished here today.

Clash started it!

Quote from: pspahn;369067Clash started it!

I move with the zeitgeist! Besides, it was Akrasia who started bragging about members.

-clash

Quote from: Settembrini;369061Benoist, heretic aka Phantom Black is utterly w/o clue re: RPGs, he hasn´t played too much of what you would recognize as such. Just so that you know.

Ah, the vitriolic Settembrini!

True, i haven't played much of this "Oldschool"-RPGs, but really, did i give away i know as much as the self-acclaimed narciss who was so knee-deep into RPG-theory he even proclaimed his "own" theory of what "good" roleplaying is, and what is not?

Weren't YOU the one who gave me props at some point?

Weren't you the one calling most rulesystems of today "amateurish botches" and weren't you the one insulting people personally when they didn't share your "ARS" oppinion?

Weren't you the one dodging all critical remarks at German fora directed towards your wishy-washy "theory" of ARS?
 
Aren't you the guy that even "earned" his own entry at rpg-info.de?

Aren't you the guy that almost ALWAYS rapped the German RPG forums "tables" yet never came across with something WORTHWHILE to improve upon "the German RPG scene" or RPG gaming in general?

Aren't you THAT ONE?!

@Benoist: Sorry for the outburst, so, back to topic and shed some more light: True, i've not been socialized with oD&D, neither with other "Oldschool" RPGs, but i did get a fair share of adventuring style RPGs. I've been playing "DSA"("The Dark Eye", but not the new 4th edition, but a rather old and quite D&D like edition with a GM who never ran published modules at all, but rather had been growing with oD&D and AD&D), L5R, Shadowrun since 2nd Ed. (Not pulpy style, rather in a more cyberpunk-like way.), WHFRP (Rather the old versions from around '97), Chill, D&D 3.0/3.5.
   
Yeah, i might not know much about oD&D, but i know what i game/play like, and that's what i'd rather call an "open" stysle in sense of what is possible and what's not.
Anyways, believe Windjammer and Settembrini, or not, your decision. But maybe it would be wise to make this decision based on actual posts, not images.

Oh, and just FYI: Yes, we have flamewars. Loads of them. Guess why reading the rpgsite has such calming effects on me...
(Even if i don't indulge in those any longer because it's getting boring already.)

Set has his own theory, now? What the fuck is "ARS"?
Makes me think of butthurt role playing. You know, Arses and everything.

Quote from: Benoist;369070Set has his own theory, now? What the fuck is "ARS"?
Makes me think of butthurt role playing. You know, Arses and everything.

Everyone who is anyone has his own pet theory. I keep mine on a leash because she tends to bite.

-clash

PS - stop talking about "Arses and everything" with that damn avatar, too! Makes my member shrivel!

Quote from: Melan;369050I believe they are more properly classified as "tools", but there are some. Or so I have heard.

If that's part of the 'Secret Handshake'. I'm afraid I've overstayed my welcome.

Quote from: Benoist;369070Set has his own theory, now? What the fuck is "ARS"?
Makes me think of butthurt role playing. You know, Arses and everything.

ARS stands for "AbenteuerRollenSpiel" (Adventure Role Playing (Game)) and stands for a competitive style of play in which players try to best the GM and each other.

At least, as far as i remember.

Utterly wrong, as always.

The first problem is that that only thing a person can say about what the OSR is that they all view that older editions of games are as much fun to play today as they were back in the day. Dungeons & Dragons is the main focus because of it's reach and popularity.

The rest depends on what specific group within the OSR. These groups vary a lot in their interests and adherence to older editions.

Quote from: Phantom Black;369023Yes, truly, good post.
I acually do like some of the "OSR" systems, but i just don't get this evangelizing thing,

So to answer your question where did you see evangelizing occur? In what context? If it came from browsing Knights-n-Knaves, the my answer would be different than you side you saw it on my blog.

Quote from: Phantom Black;369023The "issue" i see with the OSR:
It seems to me, that the good ideas from the OSR stay with the OSR and that they don't seem to be open to new ideas from "outside" which might be combined and integrated with the OSR games themself to get a game even more people would like to play.

Most of the OSR rule systems Swords & Wizardry, Labyrinth Lords, and OSRIC are under the Open Gaming License. Many supplements and adventures are also under the Open Gaming License. Like my own Majestic Wilderlands.

But understand the point of the majority of the OSR is to play the older editions. Not a similar game, not a game that feels like an older edition but the game itself.

They may seem insular because of this. But because of the common use of the open gaming license most of what developed can be freely used in other RPGs that use the OGL.

Some us believe that the OSR offers an opportunity to go back to the roots of our hobby and see what we could do differently. What avenues were not explored because of the commercial and personal interests of the game designers of the time.


I wrote the Majestic Wilderlands which is about how implemented the tropes D&D for my setting. How I got a setting with a lot politics, history, and cultures to work with the older editions.

Notice I used the term implemented. The Majestic Wilderlands doesn't "fix" D&D, is not a better way to run D&D. But rather presented as useful stuff to use if your D&D campaign involves a lot of politics, religions, history, and culture. Somebody running a Mythic Underworld type campaign may have little use for the Majestic Wilderlands. But since I never really strayed far from D&D's roots a lot of people seem to be find the MW useful.

Other OSR Authors have difference focuses and interests. Some are into the Mythic Underworld, other into Wierd Fantasy, other still into Swords & Planets. The OSR is very broad and there is no easy generalizations other than they all like playing older editions.

Quote from: jeff37923;369038It is already happening. Take a look at Mongoose Traveller, which is a cleaned up and streamlined version of Classic Traveller that is backwards compatible.

Oooh, Aramis is SOOO gonna get you.

(Though FWIW, the capital ship rules are anything but cleaned up. But that's the other great thing about staying portable with older editions... you can just go back and pull pieces out of the old system where the new authors aren't quite up to the task of balancing on the shoulders of giants.)