Quote from: sureshot on October 13, 2020, 02:10:04 PM
Gay people were not openly claiming their sexuality at the time because they could lose their jobs if not worse. The second yeah I am sure Transpeople existed at the time said no one ever.

Not necessarily BS at all. It depends on where you were and what crowd you ran with. Club people, artists, theater crowd... plenty of gay folks and gender bending. IIRC the Stonewall Riots in NYC were in 1969. Dog Day Afternoon, a mainstream movie featuring a main character who is trans, was 1975. Renee Richards was allowed to play as a woman in the U.S. Open in 1977, two years after her transition surgery.

Quote from: Simlasa on October 14, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
Not necessarily BS at all. It depends on where you were and what crowd you ran with. Club people, artists, theater crowd... plenty of gay folks and gender bending. IIRC the Stonewall Riots in NYC were in 1969. Dog Day Afternoon, a mainstream movie featuring a main character who is trans, was 1975. Renee Richards was allowed to play as a woman in the U.S. Open in 1977, two years after her transition surgery.

I am not saying their was none.

How many over the years can you count on one hand at least in the early 70s and 80s of playing rpgs that you saw or knew were gay or trans. In my neck of the woods it was late 90s to early 2000s and imo transpeople were not know to rpgs at least until the last decade or so. The way the guy in the blog makes it sound it was that gay and trans people were extremely common when they were in the early start of rpgs the exception and not the norm.

Quote from: sureshot on October 14, 2020, 11:17:17 PMHow many over the years can you count on one hand at least in the early 70s and 80s of playing rpgs that you saw or knew were gay or trans.

I wasn't playing RPGs in the 70s. But it's not like gay and trans people were some big secret at that time.

QuoteIn my neck of the woods...

Yeah, in YOUR neck of the woods.
I grew up in a small Mormon town in the desert. There weren't, as far as I'm aware, any gay/trans kids in my high school group (though there rumors about the waterboy for the football team... and the entire girls volleyball team). But if someone in college at the time were to tell me there were in his, I wouldn't be inclined to assume he was a liar. I met gay folks pretty soon after getting to college and it WAS weird to me, for a moment.
By the 90s I was working with gay people and saw what I assume were trans people at the gay bars in Vegas. Why would I assume NONE of them played RPGs?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 06, 2020, 06:54:11 PM
Stephanie Baudelaire is a trans woman, and a proud activist in the causes of Leftist Politics and Antifascism/BLM.

Which is all fine and dandy, if you're a Democrat.

But then this is what he goes on to say, "The OSR Officially Endorses Leftism." See https://www.osrelfgame.com/post/nazis-not-welcome

No different than http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2020/10/osr-backs-trump.html from this blog... http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/

You all are ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump (which it is not) but the moment someone states that the OSR is anti-NAZI you all get up in arms.

And maybe you should ask what their preferred pronoun to be used is, out of respect?

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
You all are ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump (which it is not) but the moment someone states that the OSR is anti-NAZI you all get up in arms.

Well, it was Venger saying it and he's only second to Pundit in his willingness to say outrageous shit to get attention... so, not taken seriously?

Quote from: Simlasa on October 15, 2020, 02:40:42 AM

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
You all are ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump (which it is not) but the moment someone states that the OSR is anti-NAZI you all get up in arms.

Well, it was Venger saying it and he's only second to Pundit in his willingness to say outrageous shit to get attention... so, not taken seriously?

What is said is said. It is there to be read. If you want to interpret that as not to be taken seriously that is your choice. To state that that post was in jest... well, read that post, and read the others on the blog.

The posts are there to be read by all. I'm not making a judgement other than what was written by the post linked above.
To remind:
http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2020/10/fighting-back.html
http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2020/10/osr-backs-trump.html

To continue, I don't give a flying f*ck what this person thinks on their blog.

The point is that if you want to go on sending vitriol against the idea of someone using their blog to promote their political stance, then realize that it is happening on both sides. That others are using their blogs to promote your own favorable points of view.

The clear evidence is provided above.

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on October 06, 2020, 06:54:11 PM
Stephanie Baudelaire is a trans woman, and a proud activist in the causes of Leftist Politics and Antifascism/BLM.

Which is all fine and dandy, if you're a Democrat.

But then this is what he goes on to say, "The OSR Officially Endorses Leftism." See https://www.osrelfgame.com/post/nazis-not-welcome

No different than http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2020/10/osr-backs-trump.html from this blog... http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/

You all are ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump (which it is not) but the moment someone states that the OSR is anti-NAZI you all get up in arms.

And maybe you should ask what their preferred pronoun to be used is, out of respect?

No, we're not "all ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump" and if you had bothered to read the thread before posting your idiotic assertions you'd know that VS's blog post was actually brought up and criticized by several posters here—since the first freaking page—and that VS himself commented on the topic a few pages back to clarify that his blog was a troll job (quoted below).

What is said is said. It is there to be read.

But you go on believing your false equivalences based on fantasy.

Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 12, 2020, 03:43:47 PM

Quote from: wmarshal on October 07, 2020, 05:08:17 PM
Wasn't there a community called SwordDream already created for SJWs who played OSR games? This person should go there to find a like-minded echo chamber. The OSR is too broad to belong or have any political ideology. Venger's declaration that the OSR endorsesTruml is similarly obnoxious.

Just so you're aware, my "The OSR endorses Trump" blog post was 90% trolling the radical left / SJWs currently invading our hobby.  Obviously, the OSR ranges throughout the political spectrum - which is probably a good thing.  Yes, it brought me a modicum of attention (buy Cha'alt: Fuchsia Malaise!), but more importantly it shined a light on the cancel culture cretins who'd love nothing more than to drive out anyone to the right of Joe Biden. 

And now several of them have exposed themselves.  Here's the latest: http://www.tabletoproleplaying.com/the-osr-is-anti-fascist/

Here's a slightly milder one: https://theotherside.timsbrannan.com/2020/10/the-official-music-of-osr-is-run-dmc.html

And this is a brief, re-worded version of the Elf Game blog: https://thac0rpg.blogspot.com/2020/10/thac0-stands-in-support-of-elf-blog.html

I expect to see more in the next few days.

VS

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
You all are ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump (which it is not) but the moment someone states that the OSR is anti-NAZI you all get up in arms.

I would like to note that the term 'Nazi' has been redefined from 'member or wannabe member of the NSDAP' down to 'people that leftists don't like'.

So, yeah, I have some slight issues with tossing the 'Nazi' term around so casually.

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
And maybe you should ask what their preferred pronoun to be used is, out of respect?

No.

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
You all are ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump (which it is not) but the moment someone states that the OSR is anti-NAZI you all get up in arms.

One person said that the OSR was pro-Trump (a man beloved by the left right up until the day he announced he was running for President against them. A person who had been award many times by the black community for his support of them. A man that has been pro-gay marriage for years) which is not accurate considering the OSR is made up a wide assortment of poeple.

The other person said that the country is run by Nazies, That conservative is just another name for a Nazi, and that all Nazies need to be driven from the hobby.

So one is an inaccurate statement that can be easily debunked and calmly debated if you so wished. The other accused large numbers of people of being pure evil and not deserving of existing (in the the hobby at the very least).

To try and equate the two statements as anywhere never close to being the same is pure bullshit.

I don't believe the OSR is political. And I would prefer it not to be. My personal politics are an aspect of life I prefer to leave on the shelf while I am gaming. Such a stance promotes game group harmony in the best was possible to me. Leaving real life on the shelf while the group escapes into fantasy for the afternoon.

My last game group? My GM was very conservative and pro-Trump. I am on the other side. But we didn't bring politics or political arguements to the game table. And even when those discussions did come up. they were on a clear cut break and did not interrupt the game.

I've always thought that one of the biggest strengths of the RPG hobby has, is to bring people of different backgrounds and beliefs together. That it creates an atmosphere of common ground like few other things do.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 15, 2020, 06:00:41 PM
My last game group? My GM was very conservative and pro-Trump. I am on the other side. But we didn't bring politics or political arguements to the game table.

That's pretty much my situation in my current local group. Every once in a while the GM (who can be a bit... outspoken) will say something regarding real world events that I disagree with, but I'll either try to steer it toward common ground or back to the game. We've had a few Players (mostly women) take offense and leave... but it's generally been a small but stable group.

My groups, we never ever discuss politics at the game table - gaming is for gaming! We may discuss it a bit if meeting for a social drink down the pub etc, and people do Facebook posts of course.

I guess you might get some idea of my views from the fact that I run Primeval Thule as a pretty traditional swords & sorcery setting, and that my main Forgotten Realms game is set in the 1e, 1980s era. So you get a 'liberal for the 1980s' vibe off my stuff, which an SJW might take offence to but normally left-liberal people don't find intolerable.

I have recently been running Albie Fiore's very 1970s Best of White Dwarf D&D adventures Halls of Tizun Thane and The Lichway in my Primeval Thule game, and I apologised in advance last session for the implied rape scene in The Lichway. Not that I expected the (normally left-liberal) female player to take offence, but as written it is pretty cheesy. And I had remembered my (normally left-liberal) mate Pemerton complaining about it on EN World not too long ago.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 08, 2020, 10:01:01 PM

Quote from: Crusader X on October 08, 2020, 09:28:33 PM
I don't know if the 5e designers realize this or not, but they just completely justified Red Sonja's bikini.  They've called her bikini "no armor" for years, and 5e rewards her for this choice.

Just a little nitpick. Red Sonja isn't a Barbarian. She's more of the Soldier archetype. Which in D&D 5e would make her some kind of Fighter.

In the classic AD&D Red Sonja Unchained module, she was listed as a Fighter.

Slightly off topic

Having worked on some REH stuff before Id say Sonja in the comics is a fighter with high DEX and abysmally low WIS or INT. Take your pick. Much like Conan in his early years she tended to get herself into alot of the bad situations she ended up in. Often from drinking and starting apocalyptic bar fights. Also like Conan, she has a bit of a glass jaw.

Alot of armour just slows her down. Which for such a person reliant on mobility, is a death sentence. That and she was very aware her revealing attire both worked as a distraction to some foes, and caused others to underestimate what a threat she was. Oft to their demise. Combine that with some sort of divine protection and she had even less reason to armour up.

In the short run comic I was working with though she actually ditched the bikini for leather armour late in the run before the series was cancelled so no idea if shes have kept that or not. In the novels Conan over the course of his adventures keeps upgrading his gear. Then losing it due to his rampant gambling addiction, which lessened over time as he matured. He tended to armours that were relatively light or flexible such that  did not impede his mobility.

The both get the hell beat out of them... Frequently. And I suspect both wore light armour because it was all they could afford.

In BX or AD&D both would be Fighters with a high leaning to DEX. In 5e both work as either Barbarians, or as Fighters with a high leaning to DEX.

Quote from: jeff37923 on October 09, 2020, 07:38:18 AMStephanie Baudelaire does not speak for the OSR, nor is she a recognized spokesperson for the OSR,

The question should not be why is this crazy bitch in the OSR? It is why are we giving this crazy bitch any of our time? She reacted to Venger Satanis' trolling, big fucking deal.

1: Yet. That is the problem. One day they are some loon on the internet and the next they may be dictating to every entertainment venue that their insane is what everyone has to take as the truth.

2: I agree though that its just one loon in an ever growing morass of insane people. Unfortunately the inmates are now running the asylum. And normal folk are getting increasingly tired of it so reactions are to be expected.

I just get really tired of the constant barrage of someone freaking out because this or that fruitcake said something crazy... again.

But I think part of the reactions is because alot of people realized too late that the nuts they were dismissing and telling everyone "its not that bad. Its just one loon." had somehow gained enough power to start impacting the world more and more. Every corner of media and entertainment is now infected to one degree or another and we have seen time and again just how horrifically good these cultists are at turning people.