Everyones real aligjment is Chaotic when dinners late. End of discussion.

Quote from: Nerzenjäger on October 08, 2020, 06:14:42 AMWhat do these so-called conservatives conserve? It's just "20 years ago"-liberalism. I hope to god you don't equate voting Republican with being a "deep thinker".

These days anyone who's an old school Liberal instead of a raging lunatic, or who doesn't toe the party line is "conservative". I don't think of anyone who thinks in terms of these labels or the two-party duopoly as a "deep thinker".

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on October 08, 2020, 12:52:14 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on October 08, 2020, 06:57:23 AM
Ah, screw it.

Crazy person issues diatribe. Film at 11.

If it wasn't for that, 90% of the "discussion" here would be dead.

The rest would be focused on "OSR: Best Thing Ever?  Yes or Why It is".

Not that any other forums appear to be all that better.  Just different politics and darlings.

Pretty much, unfortunately. Though, occasionally a topic will come up that transcends specific systems or involves games or editions other than OD&D or the OSR. But when that isn't the case (most of the time) it's usually crickets or SJWs and the OSR. And I normally discuss only one of those things.

Apparently everything that can ever be said about RPGs, other than constant praise for the OSR, has already been said. Until someone wants to crap on 5e or something. Then things get interesting (and repetitive, since that's already been said as well ).

Quote from: Nerzenjäger on October 08, 2020, 06:14:42 AM
What do these so-called conservatives conserve? It's just "20 years ago"-liberalism.

We conserve "40 years ago" gaming. 
Back when character sheets had a box marked "sex" and you filled it in with 'male', 'female' or 'yes please'.
Back when orcs were just orcs, not stand-ins for some oppressed minority.
Back when women wore bikini chain mail, if they wore anything at all.
...

Quote from: DocJones on October 08, 2020, 03:15:44 PM

Quote from: Nerzenjäger on October 08, 2020, 06:14:42 AM
What do these so-called conservatives conserve? It's just "20 years ago"-liberalism.

We conserve "40 years ago" gaming. 
Back when character sheets had a box marked "sex" and you filled it in with 'male', 'female' or 'yes please'.
Back when orcs were just orcs, not stand-ins for some oppressed minority.
Back when women wore bikini chain mail, if they wore anything at all.
...

My 5e campaign character template:

CHARACTER TEMPLATE
Name:       
Race:    Sex:
Class:
Level:  1st    Background:
Proficiency Bonus: +2    Experience Points: 0/300
Armour Class:            Hit Points:
Strength:   
Dexterity:
Constitution:
Intelligence:
Wisdom:
Charisma:
Proficient Saves:
Proficient Skills:
Weapons:
Other Equipment:
Money:
Special Abilities:

Orcs IMC:


Female NPCs IMC:


I like my campaign.   

I'm pretty sharply left-leaning but this person does not speak for me.
Ever since I discovered Runequest I've preferred 'monsters' with personalities and variation... that vs. 'evil' races, which seemed dumb to me.
The huge boobs in chainmail bikinis also put me off... partially because I felt they were there to entice me and that was insulting to some degree (like using sexy models to sell power tools and farming equipment... same thing).

Still, I dislike censorship even more. If the author wants the big-boobed woman in a chainmail bikini on the cover of his book, she should be there. I don't want the world I live in to be the ideological equivalent of Gerber's baby food.

Quote from: Simlasa on October 08, 2020, 04:56:08 PM
The huge boobs in chainmail bikinis also put me off... partially because I felt they were there to entice me and that was insulting to some degree (like using sexy models to sell power tools and farming equipment... same thing).

One of the girls at my D&D table in college claimed that the boob-plate wasn't real. However, most of the female warriors in D&D LOOKED like they were wearing it, but it was just a cheap glamour to distract stupid male foes.

Skallagrim (guy on youtube who makes videos about weapons and melee, but not as prissy as Lindybeige) had a demo where his girlfriend (well-endowed) showed how the boob-plate impaired her reach and maneuverability. Seemed legit.

Quote from: Simlasa on October 08, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
Skallagrim (guy on youtube who makes videos about weapons and melee, but not as prissy as Lindybeige) had a demo where his girlfriend (well-endowed) showed how the boob-plate impaired her reach and maneuverability. Seemed legit.

Oh - I 100% agree. The girl in question agreed. The female warriors in her mind were wearing normal real armor, but they had a cheap magical glamour/illusion which made it look like boob-plate to distract their male foes.

Oh, OK... I didn't take the meaning of 'glamour' there.

Quote from: S'mon on October 08, 2020, 04:32:03 PM
I like my campaign.   

I like your campaign too.

This is a real life demonstration of how good bikini chainmail is:

Oh God, Not the chainmail bikini argument again. You people can like what you want, but I don't want my fantasy elf games reduced to a bland, inoffensive, sepia of "realistic" mush.
We've all heard the "practical" arguments a zillion times. No one is being illuminated by it.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 08, 2020, 07:21:46 PM
Oh God, Not the chainmail bikini argument again. You people can like what you want, but I don't want my fantasy elf games reduced to a bland, inoffensive, sepia of "realistic" mush.
We've all heard the "practical" arguments a zillion times. No one is being illuminated by it.

Oh sure - I just thought the idea of the boob-plate being an intentional distraction by the Amazonian warriors (without giving up protection) to be amusing.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 08, 2020, 07:21:46 PM
Oh God, Not the chainmail bikini argument again. You people can like what you want, but I don't want my fantasy elf games reduced to a bland, inoffensive, sepia of "realistic" mush.
We've all heard the "practical" arguments a zillion times. No one is being illuminated by it.

But...why don't you want your female characters to wear realistic armor, like this?

Surely, your character would be well protected, and able to move and fight completely without problems with such good protection.

I'm a left leaning person. Center-left. But my tastes in fantasy carry a strong appreciation for cheesecake art. Art that I like specifically because, (HELLO!), its fantasy. It's supposed to have fantastic elements.

I personally don't want bland "realistic" fantasy or fantasy art. I don't give a rip about "practicality" of armor. It's fantasy, my fantasy. And if I want people running around with +11 bangles of invinclble armor. Then by god, that's what I'll have!

I'm a huge Red Sonja fan. And proud of it. Scale bikini and all!

I want the days of classic TSR D&D fantasy art to return. Because it was so evocative. Because it did play to my imagination.

The bland "realistic" stuff doesn't appeal to me at all.

I'm a fan of the OSR. Because I believe the OSR encourages imagination. And people's own interpretation of what they want their fantasy gaming to be. And I'll always be for that. Letting imagination take flight.

The classic AD&D Module, Red Sonja Unchained. The art on the cover of that shows Red Sonja in her scale bikini and wearing jeweled bracers, and several other pieces of ornamental jewelry. So it's not too far of a leap to claim that she's wearing armor enhancing magic items, That she's magically protected.

I don't always play male characters, but when I do, they wear about as much protection as the female characters...