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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #90 on: October 16, 2020, 02:20:40 PM »
Stephanie Baudelaire does not speak for the OSR, nor is she a recognized spokesperson for the OSR,

The question should not be why is this crazy bitch in the OSR? It is why are we giving this crazy bitch any of our time? She reacted to Venger Satanis' trolling, big fucking deal.

1: Yet. That is the problem. One day they are some loon on the internet and the next they may be dictating to every entertainment venue that their insane is what everyone has to take as the truth.

2: I agree though that its just one loon in an ever growing morass of insane people. Unfortunately the inmates are now running the asylum. And normal folk are getting increasingly tired of it so reactions are to be expected.

I just get really tired of the constant barrage of someone freaking out because this or that fruitcake said something crazy... again.

But I think part of the reactions is because alot of people realized too late that the nuts they were dismissing and telling everyone "its not that bad. Its just one loon." had somehow gained enough power to start impacting the world more and more. Every corner of media and entertainment is now infected to one degree or another and we have seen time and again just how horrifically good these cultists are at turning people.

Damnit, I know that you are right, I just wonder how we can get these SJWs to knock it off. If we can.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #91 on: October 16, 2020, 03:56:10 PM »
Damnit, I know that you are right, I just wonder how we can get these SJWs to knock it off. If we can.
I've got friends who were annoying zealots from way back, long before 'SJW' was a term of affection... they're never going to stop. Others, I think it's a phase, that they calm down as they start to make money and own stuff and feel invested in the status quo. Like what happened with a lot of 'the hippies'.
One downside of the internet is that it enables zealots of all stripes to find each other and keep stoking the fires. Their neighbors think they're nuts but their 'real' friends online have their back.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2020, 05:33:15 PM »
Damnit, I know that you are right, I just wonder how we can get these SJWs to knock it off. If we can.

That one is sadly easy and happening more and more.

They have to actually take their own medicine.

Couple of months ago one of these marketing parasites who was pushing this woke agenda to every company and admitted to using threats to push it. Suddenly found herself under the very gun she had loaded and was denied work because shes "too white" and the company has a quota to meet.

Its happening elsewhere in entertainment and outside more and more and these bastions of pushing the agenda will magically "see the light" and start opposing the very thing they set in place because they thought they would be spared the axe they were sharpening.

Karma.

In the prior iterations these nuts were also put down from increasing resistance and mockery. The more these movements abuse and distort the truth the more fed up people get. "Political Correctness" of the 90s became a thing of increasing mockery in media. And before that it was the "Moral Guardians" of the 70s.

This time though the latest iteration from 2010 has infiltrated everything and uses new psychology techniques to push it and the internet now allows every lunatic a voice and for god unknown reasons people started listening to them as if their madness were truth.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2020, 06:24:20 PM »

This time though the latest iteration from 2010 has infiltrated everything and uses new psychology techniques to push it and the internet now allows every lunatic a voice and for god unknown reasons people started listening to them as if their madness were truth.

Because, for the last 20 years the internet was touted as "the voice of your customers" to which all companies must attend - or else.

Then the crazies were let in and took over the microphone.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2020, 09:07:17 PM »
Damnit, I know that you are right, I just wonder how we can get these SJWs to knock it off. If we can.

Agreed, Omega is quite right and I couldn't have said it better.

But you know how we get these SJWs to knock it off.

And you know we can. It's just an issue of willpower. America as a culture and as a nation is crashing into oblivion and we're either going to nutsack up or it's over.

We can pussyfoot, chitchat, hand wring, dance around the obvious, "form communities" and pseudo-intellectualize all we want until the hammer drops, but the raw truth doesn't change.


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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2020, 08:25:45 PM »
being called fascist for supporting trump chaps my ass because the truth is i'm more of an anarchist; while i want a small limited domestic government with an outward focused strong military and foreign policy i can just as easily disobey any aspect of a large one that i dislike and it can catch me if it can. the left strikes me as the fascists with all their rules and speech codes. we were going to have a star trek future before the left went insane, now we can't even have a table top game w/o everyone being stuffed into labeled boxes, mislabeled even, for reasons unrelated to gaming. i have spoken at length with actual fascists both left and right wing and they both despise trump for different reasons; the one side because he is not the democrat party and the other because he will not liquidate blacks or jews. i can set all politics aside and sit down and play with ideological enemies for the sake of the game, why have we lost that ability? part of being an adult is keeping personal belief and duty separated, even if i hated blacks, if i worked for a burger joint i make burgers period, i dont ask if the customer is black and then refuse to make the burger. it seems to me there was never any politics in gaming at all until these harpies that screech "fascist" at everyone injected it. hope i'm too far off topic here.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #96 on: October 21, 2020, 06:04:10 AM »
once the invaders are out we need to keep them out.  Seriously the future of entertainment is going to be about gatekeeping,

Ironically the #SJWs agree.

IIRC someone immediately made a game under their banner that was almost indistinguishable from what would be standard alt right talking points but managed to do it in such a fashion that you really couldn't tell if it was a piss take on the whole "sword dream" or some oblivious leftist failing to see the parallels.

Poe's law really has become the new normal, hasn't it?

the largest Gross Conceptual Error to me being that the OSR is a club that you have to be a defined member in the OSR to be a part of the OSR. Not long ago, it was an advertising gimmick on modules to define that product from being a part of the endless churn of RennFaire Seattle settings. The OSR is still a very nebulous concept.

Just tell them #Antifa is also a club with defined members and watch them reverse their assessment.

A socialist system could also potentially be a free market where the means of production are owned by the workers or self-employed individuals, as proposed in mutualism, for example. Part of the problem with this is the conflation of any type of commerce with capitalism (which is more specifically about private ownership of the means of production, for profit ventures, accumulation of capital, wage labor/slavery, etc.). So that selling your own RPG books as a self-employed individual with full control of your own products without being beholden to a corporation somehow becomes necessarily pro-capitalism, as opposed to just engaging in commerce as people have done throughout history in many parts of the world before capitalism, as its understood in the modern sense became a thing.

Nothing really to add but agreement. So many problems arise from extremism on either side of any issue, which is often based in misunderstanding and only fuels the fire. This obviously pertains to any discussions around RPGs, D&D, and the OSR, with "traditionalists" and "wokists" offering extreme views that aren't interested in compromise or understanding.

Similarly with "traditionalism" vs "wokism" as it pertains to RPGs, D&D, and the OSR. There are ways to incorporate the best of both worlds, while jettisoning the worst.

Idealism at the expense of rationality never leads to a benevolent society.

Just so you're aware, my "The OSR endorses Trump" blog post was 90% trolling the radical left / SJWs currently invading our hobby.  Obviously, the OSR ranges throughout the political spectrum - which is probably a good thing.  Yes, it brought me a modicum of attention (buy Cha'alt: Fuchsia Malaise!), but more importantly it shined a light on the cancel culture cretins who'd love nothing more than to drive out anyone to the right of Joe Biden.

To be fair who can tell the difference between earnestness and sarcasm these days without explicit clarification? Now that it's given however I wonder what percent trolling their responses were.

You all are ok with the OSR being defined as Pro-Trump (which it is not) but the moment someone states that the OSR is anti-NAZI you all get up in arms.
Well, it was Venger saying it and he's only second to Pundit in his willingness to say outrageous shit to get attention... so, not taken seriously?

Does this mean we shouldn't take Stephanie seriously either, or do they unironically believe what they say?

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« Reply #97 on: October 23, 2020, 03:19:56 AM »
Venger recently claimed that the OSR officially endorses Donald Trump for re-election, as what is obviously a stupid publicity stunt. So this is obviously a response to that, implying that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a Nazi.
Lol no.
Venger states that the OSR is for Trump.
Stephanie states the OSR is for leftism.

What is the difference? It is two people making claims. Neither should be considered less than the other (unless this site has a bias which is very strong here on this site).

If you want to disparage Stephanie for stating that the OSR is for Leftism then you should also disparge Venger equally for stating that the OSR is for Trump.

Both are wrong by the way. No one person speaks for the OSR.  But If the OSR has to take sides, I'm on the not nazi fascist side.
 

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #98 on: October 23, 2020, 04:11:31 AM »
Both are wrong by the way. No one person speaks for the OSR.  But If the OSR has to take sides, I'm on the not nazi fascist side.

So you think Trump is a 'nazi fascist'. So in your world around half the US population support a 'nazi fascist', making them 'nazi fascist'.
You're comfortable with this belief?
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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #99 on: October 23, 2020, 04:16:57 AM »
Venger recently claimed that the OSR officially endorses Donald Trump for re-election, as what is obviously a stupid publicity stunt. So this is obviously a response to that, implying that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a Nazi.
Lol no.
Venger states that the OSR is for Trump.
Stephanie states the OSR is for leftism.

What is the difference? It is two people making claims. Neither should be considered less than the other (unless this site has a bias which is very strong here on this site).

If you want to disparage Stephanie for stating that the OSR is for Leftism then you should also disparge Venger equally for stating that the OSR is for Trump.

Both are wrong by the way. No one person speaks for the OSR.  But If the OSR has to take sides, I'm on the not nazi fascist side.

Except Venger has admitted on this very site he was taking the piss and trolling and Stephanie's claim implies that everyone who supports Trump is a "NAHTZEE". For gods sake quit seeing Nazi's in every shadow, not everyone right of Kamala Harris is a fascist.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #100 on: October 23, 2020, 09:27:14 AM »
Stephanie Baudelaire and Venger Satanis can say whatever they want.  The OSR is not a centralized political movement.  There's no central leadership, no ruling council with the authority to revoke membership in the OSR.

My understanding has always been that the OSR is a set of design principles for tabletop RPGs.  Nothing more, nothing less.

It's not a political movement, nor is it some kind of exclusive club.

If Virtue Signaling from Stephanie or Venger (yes, deliberately writing the most offensive thing you can and then gleefully rubbing it in the audience' face is also a form of virtue signaling) bothers you, you are free to buy products from a different creator.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #101 on: October 23, 2020, 11:12:07 AM »
Stephanie Baudelaire and Venger Satanis can say whatever they want.  The OSR is not a centralized political movement.  There's no central leadership, no ruling council with the authority to revoke membership in the OSR.

My understanding has always been that the OSR is a set of design principles for tabletop RPGs.  Nothing more, nothing less.

It's not a political movement, nor is it some kind of exclusive club.

If Virtue Signaling from Stephanie or Venger (yes, deliberately writing the most offensive thing you can and then gleefully rubbing it in the audience' face is also a form of virtue signaling) bothers you, you are free to buy products from a different creator.

Well said! The whole situation is just pointless empty drama. I'd sit down at a table with each of them (or both at the same time!) if the game was good. That's all that should matter.

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« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2020, 11:25:57 AM »
I think the point is that if enough people get in with certain views to a critical mass, they can then change the culture of the hobby and then you can't open a book without getting hit with politics.

Frankly 20 years ago I never thought I'd see the day D&D got political, as it didn't happen in the real world, and you can make any social change you want in your game world by fiat. Oh well.

Also an increasing number of people insist that the producers of any media they want to consume share their politics, which I find a little silly. Though as a semiconservative watching media I was used to having to tune out the 'message'. (Look at all the trouble Milius got into after making Red Dawn.)
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« Reply #103 on: October 23, 2020, 11:39:11 AM »
I think the point is that if enough people get in with certain views to a critical mass, they can then change the culture of the hobby and then you can't open a book without getting hit with politics.
How do you propose to stop them from getting in? RPGs are a form of expression and when released into the wild they behave like any other expression. They get added to, revised, adapted, changed, abandoned, etc. How do you stop person X from doing that?

I suppose you can make your voice heard to push back against the trend of wokeness. Though talk is cheap on the internet and most publishers I would think view internet chatter as a predictor of future sales. Like we are seeing WotC gamble on hyper-wokeness. Perhaps the best way then is to vote with your wallet and not buy from publishers that follow social trends.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #104 on: October 23, 2020, 03:19:20 PM »
Venger recently claimed that the OSR officially endorses Donald Trump for re-election, as what is obviously a stupid publicity stunt. So this is obviously a response to that, implying that anyone who supports Donald Trump is a Nazi.
Lol no.
Venger states that the OSR is for Trump.
Stephanie states the OSR is for leftism.

What is the difference? It is two people making claims. Neither should be considered less than the other (unless this site has a bias which is very strong here on this site).

If you want to disparage Stephanie for stating that the OSR is for Leftism then you should also disparge Venger equally for stating that the OSR is for Trump.

All claims are not created equal. One guy making a troll post to rile people up, and someone else taking the bait and making bogus accusations and fallacious statements about entire groups of people are not the same thing.

But you keep riding those false equivalences. I know you don't know the difference and don't care. You just want to make your case no matter how wrong it is, then trot around victoriously after toppling all the pieces and shitting on the chess board.

Both are wrong by the way. No one person speaks for the OSR.

The only vaguely true thing you have posted so far.

But If the OSR has to take sides, I'm on the not nazi fascist side.

Everything I've seen you post implies otherwise.  ::)