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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2020, 04:28:03 PM »
A socialist system could also potentially be a free market where the means of production are owned by the workers or self-employed individuals, as proposed in mutualism, for example. Part of the problem with this is the conflation of any type of commerce with capitalism (which is more specifically about private ownership of the means of production, for profit ventures, accumulation of capital, wage labor/slavery, etc.). So that selling your own RPG books as a self-employed individual with full control of your own products without being beholden to a corporation somehow becomes necessarily pro-capitalism, as opposed to just engaging in commerce as people have done throughout history in many parts of the world before capitalism, as its understood in the modern sense became a thing.

Nothing really to add but agreement. So many problems arise from extremism on either side of any issue, which is often based in misunderstanding and only fuels the fire. This obviously pertains to any discussions around RPGs, D&D, and the OSR, with "traditionalists" and "wokists" offering extreme views that aren't interested in compromise or understanding.

Similarly with "traditionalism" vs "wokism" as it pertains to RPGs, D&D, and the OSR. There are ways to incorporate the best of both worlds, while jettisoning the worst.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2020, 04:35:18 PM »
*Edit* Huge headache and my thoughts are not coherent.
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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2020, 01:42:30 AM »

That does not mean the OSR supports Trump...or Biden...or anyone.

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There is no "Socialist OSR", even among hobbyists who just post stuff for free. Even they are contributing to the marketplace of ideas which become expressed as for-profit products by someone else.

I disagree. The OSR isn't inherently any form of economic system. It can exist in any economic system. I do not agree with your claim that other people capitalizing products produced for free by socialists makes them not socialists. For example, North Korea produces the Type 73 Machine Gun. Iran has taken what they did and commodified it. Just because Iran is copying their stuff and making it for-profit, this doesn't suddenly make North Korea capitalist. That's nonsense. Similarly, if someone is producing free OSR products and someone else swipes it like the Iranians and starts to sell it, that doesn't make the socialist produced stuff suddenly capitalist. That's not how that works. You don't magically transform the nature of something by swiping it and selling it.

The OSR is not a political party or an economic system.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2020, 03:43:47 PM »
Wasn’t there a community called SwordDream already created for SJWs who played OSR games? This person should go there to find a like-minded echo chamber. The OSR is too broad to belong or have any political ideology. Venger’s declaration that the OSR endorsesTruml is similarly obnoxious.

Just so you're aware, my "The OSR endorses Trump" blog post was 90% trolling the radical left / SJWs currently invading our hobby.  Obviously, the OSR ranges throughout the political spectrum - which is probably a good thing.  Yes, it brought me a modicum of attention (buy Cha'alt: Fuchsia Malaise!), but more importantly it shined a light on the cancel culture cretins who'd love nothing more than to drive out anyone to the right of Joe Biden. 

And now several of them have exposed themselves.  Here's the latest: http://www.tabletoproleplaying.com/the-osr-is-anti-fascist/

Here's a slightly milder one: https://theotherside.timsbrannan.com/2020/10/the-official-music-of-osr-is-run-dmc.html

And this is a brief, re-worded version of the Elf Game blog: https://thac0rpg.blogspot.com/2020/10/thac0-stands-in-support-of-elf-blog.html

I expect to see more in the next few days.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2020, 03:50:29 PM »
VS isn’t even conservative. He’s a lifelong liberal who voted for $Hillary—who’s basically a neocon, granted, but point being he was a Democrat who voted blue no matter who. He’s just not a very deep thinker, and recently left the Democrats like a year ago (from what I gathered from Inappropriate Characters) due to all the Trump derangement and riot-supporting, woke-pandering insanity. He’s probably just starting explore thinkers from the other side now he’s willing to expand his horizons a bit and it’s getting overexcited. Plus wasn’t the thing about the OSR supporting Trump a joke or something?

Anyways, these people are insane, what more can be said? They’re self-important cultural imperialists who love to whine about CoLoNiZaTiOn while simultaneously using terms like Latin-X, which is an anglocentric rebranding of the Spanish language promoted by people who think they know better than those Spanish speaking savages. They come and they colonize, and they look down on and try to expunge those who don’t conform while purporting to be champions of DiVeRsItY and InClUsIoN, but being the complete opposite. Which is what their intrusion into this hobby is all about. They’re colonizers coming to tell us what’s what. And those who don’t like it better get out of their iNcLuSiVe hobby, which they’ve claimed only for themselves.

I've entertained multiple political perspectives over the years.  Regarding the 2016 election, I unfortunately bought-into the mainstream media's depiction of Trump.  Back then, the radical-left hadn't invaded our RPG hobby (that I was aware of).  About 6 months into Trump's presidency, I started to see the fake news media for what they were and walked away from the Democrat party. However, I still consider myself an old-school liberal who leans conservative these days; not a leftist.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2020, 03:57:27 PM »
Here's a slightly milder one: https://theotherside.timsbrannan.com/2020/10/the-official-music-of-osr-is-run-dmc.html

Friend of an IRL friend of mine. She's just as left wing as Tim, but unlike him she's happily wise enough never to get deranged over politics - or anything really.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2020, 05:07:43 PM »
Greetings!

SIGH. All of these left wing Marxist idiots. They are so alien to me. Their whole world view is a fucked up trainwreck. Regardless of whatever degree Left these people happen to be, the constant crying and hysteria about "Nazis and Fascists!" is more than a bit melodramatic. The Leftists constant Reeing about Fascism and Trump being a Nazi, is nutty, terribly wrong and malignant. On some level, I find the petty viciousness and hysteria of it distinctly offensive.

I know all about Fascism, and Nazis. I have a large personal library of books covering everything in World War II, with many books read on the Nazis, how they came to power, their policies, government, philosophy, and the Nazi war machine. One of my formal specialties in college was America during the 1930's and World War II.

These Leftist demagogues and Marxist sheep don't have a clue what real Nazis are. If anything, it is the Marxists and the Left that are embracing a soul-destroying, authoritarian philosophy that seeks to crush and dominate modern human society.

My own father was a decorated veteran of World War II, and he fought against--and killed real Nazis. These hysterical Marxists can fuck right off. They are the people today embracing authoritarianism, and tyranny. They are the people that are supporting revolution, rebellion, and persecuting anyone and everyone that disagrees with their fucked up, poisonous ideology. They are Marxists. They need to realize how evil and tyrannical they are. It is the goddamned Marxists that need to be driven from our hobby and from our society.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2020, 05:07:52 PM »
Here's a slightly milder one: https://theotherside.timsbrannan.com/2020/10/the-official-music-of-osr-is-run-dmc.html

Doesn't that dude post on this board? What an absolute faggot...these people have no shame.
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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2020, 06:13:27 PM »
Just what we need. More people throwing shoes at each other.
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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2020, 07:14:14 AM »
Wasn’t there a community called SwordDream already created for SJWs who played OSR games? This person should go there to find a like-minded echo chamber. The OSR is too broad to belong or have any political ideology. Venger’s declaration that the OSR endorsesTruml is similarly obnoxious.

Just so you're aware, my "The OSR endorses Trump" blog post was 90% trolling the radical left / SJWs currently invading our hobby.  Obviously, the OSR ranges throughout the political spectrum - which is probably a good thing.  Yes, it brought me a modicum of attention (buy Cha'alt: Fuchsia Malaise!), but more importantly it shined a light on the cancel culture cretins who'd love nothing more than to drive out anyone to the right of Joe Biden. 

And now several of them have exposed themselves.  Here's the latest: http://www.tabletoproleplaying.com/the-osr-is-anti-fascist/

Here's a slightly milder one: https://theotherside.timsbrannan.com/2020/10/the-official-music-of-osr-is-run-dmc.html

And this is a brief, re-worded version of the Elf Game blog: https://thac0rpg.blogspot.com/2020/10/thac0-stands-in-support-of-elf-blog.html

I expect to see more in the next few days.

VS

Dude in the first link comes across like a massive fucking tryhard. "I done fought fascists in mah hobby circles before, did I mention I was a marine!", I'll take shit that never happened for 500 please. It's amazing the amount of derangement these people suffer over a man who's barely done anything as president, for fucks sake most of his positions are things the mainstream liberals have supported in the last 30 years.
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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2020, 08:27:24 AM »
And now several of them have exposed themselves.  Here's the latest: http://www.tabletoproleplaying.com/the-osr-is-anti-fascist/
VS

Wait, so he'll fight a fascist, nazi but will work with a communist? Guess he doesn't like working with amateurs? In Old School Russia, dice roll you.

Who are all these self-identifying nazi, white supremacists, fascists, whatevers in the OSR? Or is it a case of this....


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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2020, 10:03:08 AM »
Greetings!

SIGH. All of these left wing Marxist idiots. They are so alien to me. Their whole world view is a fucked up trainwreck. Regardless of whatever degree Left these people happen to be, the constant crying and hysteria about "Nazis and Fascists!" is more than a bit melodramatic. The Leftists constant Reeing about Fascism and Trump being a Nazi, is nutty, terribly wrong and malignant. On some level, I find the petty viciousness and hysteria of it distinctly offensive.

I know all about Fascism, and Nazis. I have a large personal library of books covering everything in World War II, with many books read on the Nazis, how they came to power, their policies, government, philosophy, and the Nazi war machine. One of my formal specialties in college was America during the 1930's and World War II.

These Leftist demagogues and Marxist sheep don't have a clue what real Nazis are. If anything, it is the Marxists and the Left that are embracing a soul-destroying, authoritarian philosophy that seeks to crush and dominate modern human society.

My own father was a decorated veteran of World War II, and he fought against--and killed real Nazis. These hysterical Marxists can fuck right off. They are the people today embracing authoritarianism, and tyranny. They are the people that are supporting revolution, rebellion, and persecuting anyone and everyone that disagrees with their fucked up, poisonous ideology. They are Marxists. They need to realize how evil and tyrannical they are. It is the goddamned Marxists that need to be driven from our hobby and from our society.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2020, 10:22:03 AM »
Speaking of chainmail bikini wear, does anyone remember Alias's chain shirt from Azure Bonds? And the ONLY reason she wore it was because it was massively enchanted (the ridiculous cleavage might as well have been behind steel plate). And even her friend Dragonbait disliked it.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2020, 02:10:04 PM »
The guy proclaiming to be a so called Marine is full of crap. Somehow in the late 70s to early 80s he not only met and gamer with every race. He somehow met gay and Transpeople. Gay people were not openly claiming their sexuality at the time because they could lose their jobs if not worse. The second yeah I am sure Transpeople existed at the time said no one ever.

Bunch of revisionist BS in the name of becoming woke.

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Re: Why is this person in the OSR?
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2020, 03:12:00 PM »
I like my campaign.    ;D
I like your campaign too.

This is a real life demonstration of how good bikini chainmail is:


Heh, on a channel by a woman who probably thinks the views aren’t because she’s good looking.
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