Quote from: Toadmaster;1016592D&D is still more or less recognizable from its beginnings, but I suspect beyond OD&D through 2e which are largely similar, a player familiar with one has a significant learning curve to pick up another edition.

From experience I can say 5e is very siimple and intuitive for players raised on B/X, AD&D and 2e.

Quote from: Voros;1016874From experience I can say 5e is very siimple and intuitive for players raised on B/X, AD&D and 2e.

My experience differs from yours.

RPGPundit's experience makes him think "magick" is real. Just more examples of how anecdotes are not  evidence.

Quote from: Voros;1016874From experience I can say 5e is very siimple and intuitive for players raised on B/X, AD&D and 2e.

I have no experience with 4E or 5E, but 3-3.5 certainly added new wrinkles. I'm not saying a player coming from earlier editions would be the same as introducing a player who had never played any version of D&D, but there would be a need to sit down and explain a few things, it would probably take a few sessions to get them up to speed. I know that is what my experience was anyway.

4E sounds different from anything D&D before or since, 5E sounds like it is trying to get back to the earlier style so maybe it wouldn't be such a jump for an old school D&D player, but what about a player who only knew 3/3.5 or 4E?

You could take a CoC player from any edition to 7th edition and in 30 minutes get them up to speed. 1-6th ed you would only need 5 minutes.

RQ1 to Mythras would take more as RQ is more complex to start with and MRQ onward added some significant changes, but the changes were incremental, jumping one edition to the next not a big deal, going from RQ 1/2 straight to RQ6 / Mythras would probably take a couple sessions to really work out the kinks (the choose a hit result after the fact thing took me a bit to wrap my head around, but I liked it once I got it).

That was my point not just one edition to the next, but ease of moving from any edition to another. Things just haven't changed all that much in the BRP world.

I get ya, I'd say the only real difference between 2e and 5e that I noticed when I returned to 5e was Feats. Which took me all of 2 minutes to grasp.

Quote from: DavetheLost;1016562I would say that as a system BRP has proven itself more popular than D&D.  Long before the OSR (as in decades) BRP was published for many genres. Further BRP has remained recognizably the same system consistently since it's begining. D&D is now D&D in name only. It has become a brand not a system.  Compare RQ1 with any current BRP system game. Now compare 0D&D with 5e.

But there are far more derivatives of D&D than there are of BRP.  There were countless D&D-heartbreakers. Then all the D20 games. Now all the OSR games.

There have been some BRP-derivatives too, mind you.

I havent read this whole thread - what is BRP?

How about you read the fucking thread and don'rt expect to be spoon fed.

Quote from: Psikerlord;1017328I havent read this whole thread - what is BRP?

Basic RolePlaying the system the underlies Runequest, Call of Cthulu, Stormbringer, and many other Chaosium RPGs. Characterized by using a d100 and being skilled based.

Quote from: Hermes Serpent;1017346How about you read the fucking thread and don'rt expect to be spoon fed.

The phrase "basic roleplaying" hasn't actually been said in the thread until after your post. They might be able to infer it, maybe, that it has something to do with Runequest and whatnot, but it's not like they could just invent it.

(Now, googling BRP and several other phrases might work, but no need to be a jerk about it)

Quote from: Hermes Serpent;1017346How about you read the fucking thread and don'rt expect to be spoon fed.

I did read a few pages and gave up! Quicker to ask

Quote from: estar;1017358Basic RolePlaying the system the underlies Runequest, Call of Cthulu, Stormbringer, and many other Chaosium RPGs. Characterized by using a d100 and being skilled based.

More accurately or pedantically, Basic Role-Playing (BRP) was derived from Runequest which preceded it and BRP underlies subsequent systems like Call of Cthulhu,  Worlds of Wonder (Magic World, Superworld, and Future World), Stormbringer, Ringworld, Hawkmoon, etc.

Yeah, it's funny but "BRP" as an abbreviation is not as well known as D&D.  It's the "Call of Cthulhu" system for some people.

"Basic Role Playing" was the title of a short booklet in my RQ2 boxed set. The tite seemed descriptive as it outlined the basic rules mechanics and how to play an RPG. It never ocured to us then that "BRP" was the name of a system. The game was "RuneQuest", later "Call of Cthulhu", "Strombringer" etc. We probably would have called the system RuneQuest if we had thought about as a system rather than games. Later it was the Chaosium house system as compared to say the Palladium house system.  But we never said "Let's play BRP," the way we said "let's play GURPS".

In France BRP is known as BaSIC, thanks to Casus Belli.

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In the 90s the magazine published a series of special editions ("hors série") that were either settings (the city of Laelith), or complete RPGs (the generic game SimulacreS, several genre-versions of SimulacreS, the sci fi game Mega III, and BaSiC), or collections of short adventures.

Complete RPGs to be found at the newsstand, for the price of a magazine.
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