Unrelated to any specific game...

I mean seriously...I understand trying to convince people that games you like are great!  But, why try to convince people that like, love, or are at least open minded that a game sucks...and they have no reason to like it (or are at least stupid or inferior for not thinking it sucks)?

We see it over and over on the internet.  What is there to be gained in this action?

Justification?

There's a big difference between:

 A)evangelizing and trying to convince others that their favorite game sucks

AND
B) merely pointing out the reasons why you don't like a game that others are particularly fond of.

A is bad. B is not bad, IMHO.
Unfortunately, however, some people take offense at both and misconstrue B for A.

Quote from: LancerThere's a big difference between:

 A)evangelizing and trying to convince others that their favorite game sucks

AND
B) merely pointing out the reasons why you don't like a game that others are particularly fond of.

A is bad. B is not bad, IMHO.
Unfortunately, however, some people take offense at both and misconstrue B for A.

And some people mean to do B, and end up doing A, and insulting the players of said game as well (whether they mean to or not).

Unfortunately...

Case in point.:rolleyes:

Agreed, and the way you can tell the difference between them is what? Answer: telling them that the reason they think they like their favorite game is some other reason than they like their favorite game.

Except that again, you misconstrue.. But Nevermind.:rolleyes:

Funny - here I was starting with the premise that the person really wanted to do B...

See, when everyone else is, apparently, misunderstanding what you're trying to say - it might not be them....

But that's crazy talk, I'm sure...

Quote from: James J SkachFunny - here I was starting with the premise that the person really wanted to do B...

See, when everyone else is, apparently, misunderstanding what you're trying to say - it might not be them....

But that's crazy talk, I'm sure...

Problem is that people don't like to hear criticism of their favorite games, no matter how they are stated.. Particularly, on an online forum where it seems that people go out of their way to intentionally (or maybe not) misunderstand/mis-read posts and read into things that aren't there.

And then, when it is not about criticizing someone's favorite game all of a sudden everyone's post comprehension improves radically.. lol.

Why does Grubman start a new thread with a whiny title any time somebody disagrees with him on the internet?



Also, since you're there, Grubman, Dar suspects you made a Freeport adventure for Savage Worlds.  If this is true, is it up anywhere inquiring minds could take a look at it?

Quote from: LancerProblem is that people don't like to hear criticism of their favorite games, no matter how they are stated.. Particularly, on an online forum where it seems that people go out of their way to intentionally misunderstand/mis-read posts and read into things that aren't there.

Which is why it is beneficial to consider how things might be taken; not to simply write off the misunderstanding as the fault of the reader - especially with respect to communication in this particular medium.

Quote from: walkerpWhy does Grubman start a new thread with a whiny title any time somebody disagrees with him on the internet?

Well, that was uncalled for.  First off, no one disagreed with me.  We all know what thread prompted this one...but it isn't some way to get even, it's just a way to discuss a related internet phenomenon.  I dodged out of it because it was going nowhere (as the last few pages show) and I knew it.  All questions were being sidestepped or answered with more confusing and contradictory answers.  It was an "agree to disagree" standoff and I left.  This thread was inspired by that one out of a desire to understand, but not a "whiny" response. I think it's an interesting topic on it's own, where as it would just sound insulting on the thread that will not be named.

I mean, I'm pretty open minded...and most people who have seen me around in person or on the internet will agree.  Sure, I have my moments, like everyone else, but overall I'm pretty open minded, positive, love the hobby, and do my little part to promote play and enjoyment.

The thing is, there has to be something more to it than misunderstandings.  Discussions about a games bad points and good points are certainly productive...but if you just don't like game A, what is the point of trying to convince others that Game A sucks...unless they are specifically asking if they should play or buy it?

I wish people weren't so sensitive to this type of criticism. After all, these are just games folks, not religions. People can tell me that FUZION sucks 'til they are blue in the face(and they have), and I don't get all emo about it.

The best thing to do is avoid the temptation to criticize someone's game. But I like to speak my mind, so it is a hard thing to do.

Quote from: grubmanWhat is there to be gained in this action?

Threads like this?

Regards,
David R

Getting back to the OP, I don't see much to be gained. People must imagine that by deploying arguments like "the only reason you like D&D is because you've never played anything else", they can get people to try other things. And actually, it kinda works. I'm sure some people get tired of justifying themselves and engaging in arguments about game X vs. game Y, when they only know game X. So they take a look at game Y or even buy it. I doubt that game Y gets played much as a result, though.

Other than that, dar's nailed it: justification. People are still shocked to find out that other people have different tastes, so the behavior in question is just a natural attempt to explain the unexplainable.