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OSR Gun Rules?

Started by RPGPundit, December 05, 2018, 06:40:12 AM

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Nerzenjäger

#15
December 18, 2018, 01:28:06 AM
My Whitebox gun rules:

Roll to hit, d6 damage, if 6, roll again. Range: close.
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uferschnepfe

#16
December 18, 2018, 07:03:58 AM
I prefer the rules from Nightmares Underneath: Roll under DEX (or half DEX) to hit. No armor for the defender. But reloading takes time and there is a chance that the weapon jams.

Christopher Brady

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December 18, 2018, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: uferschnepfe;1069101I prefer the rules from Nightmares Underneath: Roll under DEX (or half DEX) to hit. No armor for the defender. But reloading takes time and there is a chance that the weapon jams.

Plate armour was apparently effective against single shot weapons.  But shot gun style weapons will perforate it like paper.
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Toadmaster

#18
December 18, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1069104Plate armour was apparently effective against single shot weapons.  But shot gun style weapons will perforate it like paper.

This makes no sense. Some late armor was protection against bullets, the term bullet proof having its origin during the age of plate armor (proofed armor was shot with a gun to show it could stop a bullet) and breast plates survived into the early 20th century as military equipment because they still offered some useful protection. Shotguns however have far less ability to penetrate armor than a solid bullet.

Christopher Brady

#19
December 19, 2018, 05:12:35 AM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1069134This makes no sense. Some late armor was protection against bullets, the term bullet proof having its origin during the age of plate armor (proofed armor was shot with a gun to show it could stop a bullet) and breast plates survived into the early 20th century as military equipment because they still offered some useful protection. Shotguns however have far less ability to penetrate armor than a solid bullet.

It was demonstrated by a show, an episode of Deadliest Warrior, the single shot 18th century flintlock pistol did not penetrate a 14th century armour.  But the Blunderbuss on the other hand, despite having quite a few misfires, was able to blast one pellet through the Knight's armour.

Whether or not makes sense, doesn't matter.  Most medieval class firearms did not have that much penetration.  The only reason why it was adopted was due to the amount of pellets it could send at the enemy, and how little training was required.

This is another common fallacy that shows up in Fantasy games, along with Polearms being the god-tier weapon, when in fact it was only that effective in a formation system.
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Tod13

#20
December 19, 2018, 09:02:21 AM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1069171It was demonstrated by a show, an episode of Deadliest Warrior, the single shot 18th century flintlock pistol did not penetrate a 14th century armour.  But the Blunderbuss on the other hand, despite having quite a few misfires, was able to blast one pellet through the Knight's armour.

You can't compare pistols and long arms. Totally different levels of energy. So, your original statement should have been that "plate armor was proof against black powder single-shot pistols, while long arms could defeat it". But even that has ridiculous amounts of caveats. The definitive work on this is The Knight and the Blast Furnace by Alan Williams. Ridiculously expensive. I'd buy it even at those prices if I could get it as an ebook.
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