Quote from: Sommerjon;950986He meant that (manufacturing costs)6AP books = 1 splat/setting book

I gotcha - I misunderstood.

Though that seems like it might be an overstatement the other way.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;950985Consumer tastes which drive the publication of a mountain of bullshit, most of it aimed at fucking collectors and shithouse readers.

Yeah, I'm fine pissing on those assholes.

And by the way, piss on you too, fuckstick.

For a guy who is too imaginative to need store-bought products, why do you care what gets published?

Quote from: Dirk Remmecke;950949(4) GMs of other systems

Group 4 buys the occasional setting and module as idea mines.

GURPS sold sourcebooks way beyond their stable of GMs.

I loathe GURPS with a passion and I even bought a shed load of GURPS sourcebooks.  They were (mostly) valuable resources and idea mines.

I haven't bought any D&D5e stuff and probably won't. I have enough earlier editions of D&D, and retro-closnes, and OSR, and BTW, to well and truly scratch my D&D itch, and I mostly favor other games that offer other experiences these days anyhow.  

So for me the question of where has D&D gone? is anwered by "right where it's always been, here on my gaming shelf".  Even in the heady days of AD&D 1e I didn't buy much beyond the core books.

Quote from: Spinachcat;950920Iron Kingdoms was a d20 RPG for the WarMachine minis universe. I heard some mumblings about their own RPG system, but I haven't seen it.

There are more players than GMs.

That's why Palladium makes all their books dual use. AKA, all the setting books have new toys for Players (classes, spells, guns, etc)


And accuracy!



Has anyone been following this D&D Beyond thing?

Anyone part of any testing?

Any reason to believe it isn't 5e's vaporware?

Explains where the book budget has gone, didn't they fa to deliver something last year?

Quote from: Black Vulmea;950975Yeah, the OP sounds like yet another dead-from-the-neck-up limp-dick who can't manage masturbation without the Swimsuit Issue spread out on the toilet seat.

Fairly sure I'm not your father...

Quote from: Necrozius;950981For some reason Cubicle 7's Adventures in Middle Earth inspired me more than anything created lately by Wizards of the Coast. And I'm a fan of 5e so far. And I'm actually kind of bored of Tolkien.

I mean, once I started reading the Player's Guide, I couldn't stop. I finished reading it, cover-to-cover, including the fluff-prose, in one weekend. I honestly cannot remember the last time that I've read a RPG book like that.

Something about the added thought put into the Cultures, Journey and downtime rules. It is hard for me to explain, but I love their approach: so much that I want to use it for my own homebrewed setting some day.

Needless to say that I'm very excited for the Loremaster's guide. Much more than I've been excited for anything official for 5e. I mean, I get it: the core books are just a toolkit. I couldn't care less for the Forgotten Realms. But somehow AiME CLICKS for me. Really weird.

I'm glad somebody pointed these out and if I hadn't already decided to go with Mythras I think I could get a lot of mileage running a Deverry inspired game with these. These SOUND like exactly the sort of books the publishers of D&D should be producing, but that's just my opinion.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;950982How dare he have different consumer tastes than you!

You should make awkward metaphors which question his/her manhood!!!

I wouldn't bother. The need to belittle or attack others usually stems from a deep rooted insecurity.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;950988Internet users: proving our maturity & decorum one post at a time!

(And why do you care?  Is someone holding you hostage and forcing you to read them?)

This is always the big point, if you don't want to buy or read something don't. Why begrudge others spending their hard earned money?

Quote from: HorusArisen;950998Explains where the book budget has gone, didn't they fa to deliver something last year?

Palladium's been struggling to get out their Robotech KS stuff for some time now.

Meanwhile....  The RPG market keeps tightening and tightening, and Palladium has been investing their books more in riding the zombie craze (about 1d6+10 years too late), the Rifter (pay fans a pittance to write for you!), and all sorts of Coalition stuff (likely to help cash in on the Savage Worlds: Rifts license some how) than anything else.

Can we please not use Paizo as an example of why adventures 'sell'.  They are a storefront that sells more than just it's own product.  From what I can see, they even sell board games and toys, which tells me that they are wisely diversifying their products, and it also tells me that if Pathfinder were to suddenly flop, they'd still be in the black, likely.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;950988(And why do you care?  Is someone holding you hostage and forcing you to read them?)

Quote from: Baulderstone;950992For a guy who is too imaginative to need store-bought products, why do you care what gets published?

Because that mountain of bullshit makes for dull, stupid gamers, and I don't want to get stuck across the table from one of you.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;951012Because that mountain of bullshit makes for dull, stupid gamers, and I don't want to get stuck across the table from one of you.

Then do what most smart people do, game with your friends.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;951012Because that mountain of bullshit makes for dull, stupid gamers, and I don't want to get stuck across the table from one of you.

And yet you want to chat with them on forums?

Well I see I'm quite late to this party, but anyways, Hi, OP!
Welcome to the board. I see you've gotten your fair share of introduction to the usual personalities and how things go around here (and some trial by fire).

As everyone has said, there is an explanation to WotC's decisions. No, they are not winding D&D down and it really shouldn't be bewildering. They are following a specific strategy which focuses on favoring an evergreen edition and not risking the brand. We can like it or dislike it, but it seems to be working for them (or at least they seem pleased with the results) so it is likely to stay this way for a while.

Third party expansions are a crap shoot, but frankly, averaged over the course of the game as a whole, so have expansions from the game producers, so the lesson is you always have to be discerning with your gaming purchases.

So not much to add there I guess.
As to this site, you've clearly noticed the trial-by-shittalking thing we've got going. I also would overall prefer a slightly more polite atmosphere, but consider it a small price to pay for uncensored thoughts being expressed.

Quote from: HorusArisen;951001I wouldn't bother. The need to belittle or attack others usually stems from a deep rooted insecurity.

I see you are capable of handling yourself fine. Although, if you are going to take the high road, then wouldn't this...

Quote from: HorusArisen;950999Fairly sure I'm not your father...

...be lowering yourself to his level?

It's totally up to you. Neither the 'rise above it' or 'give as good as you get' strategy seems to inoculate one from it here, I'm just pointing out inconsistent strategy.

Anyways, hope you like it here. Glad we could hear you mope. Sorry we can't change the WotC strategy, but glad we could suggest some good third-party material. Happy gaming!

Quote from: HorusArisen;951001I wouldn't bother. The need to belittle or attack others usually stems from a deep rooted insecurity.

Gronan and Black Vulmea have a point however on this site trying to argue how how they say their point will get you nowhere and you probably will get ridicule in return. If you disagree that the rpg industry is publishing a mountain of crap aimed at collectors and readers then form a coherent argument about why you disagree. If you want to spice it up with a few fuckwits and assholes feel free to dos but that not your style then don't sweat it.