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Will WotC's abandonment of the OGL lead to a renaissance of non-d20 games?

Started by thecasualoblivion, September 09, 2009, 11:41:51 PM

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Benoist

#15
September 10, 2009, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;329429Simply the question in the topic line:

Will WotC's abandonment of the OGL lead to a renaissance of non-d20 games?
It's a matter of perception. I don't think non-20 games ever disappeared, but they were lost in the poor signal to noise ratio that the legion of d20 games created.

I think that non-d20 games will regain some popularity as people dissatisfied with 4e move on to other pastures and don't necessarily stick to 3.x and its variants.

I think that games like Pathfinder RPG and Fantasy Craft, or add-ons like the Book of Experimental Might and Trailblazers, prove that d20 games will keep being produced on a regular basis, but the bloat is over. That in itself is good for non-d20 games.

thecasualoblivion

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September 10, 2009, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;329580This thread is really just about how much you fear the impact of Pathfinder on 4E, isn't it?

This crap again? I'll admit I'm unimpressed with Pathfinder, but the thought that I think Pathfinder is going to have any effect on 4E is laughable.

I've enjoyed playing non-d20 games for years. They took a hit when the OGL came out, and that bummed me out. I'm primarily a D&D player, but when I play something else I prefer it to be mechanically different than D&D, and as such I don't look to the OGL when I want to play something that isn't D&D.

I'm looking forward to non-d20 games making a comeback.
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estar

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September 10, 2009, 12:16:46 PM
The d20 situation is a unique situation never before seen in this hobby. There hasn't been a rule system that could still be legally published after it's publisher decided to shitcan it in favor of a different edition.

So predications will be all over the map. I suspect that it will continue to thrive as part of the 2nd tier of the RPG industry and one company will be anointed by the market as the standard bearer. In d20's case Paizo. That it continued success will dependent on how well Paizo attract new gamers to the system.

RPGPundit

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September 10, 2009, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: Hobo;329569I think not.  I don't think there's going to be a big Rennaissanc of any RPGs in the future.  I think they're slowed down to a minor niche that's gradually splitting up into even smaller and smaller niches that rely on the Internet to even be viable communities at all.

You're saying "relies on the internet" as though that not true of just about any hobby/subculture today.

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September 10, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;329446Pathfinder is still riding the hype at this point...

Is it though? Or did it ride the hype a year ago?

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September 10, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: estar;329607So predications will be all over the map. I suspect that it will continue to thrive as part of the 2nd tier of the RPG industry and one company will be anointed by the market as the standard bearer. In d20's case Paizo. That it continued success will dependent on how well Paizo attract new gamers to the system.

I think this is true, though I think over time Paizo will need to work to separate itself even further from drawing upon the scads of existing d20 material than it currently has done. As years go by, original d20 material will become both harder to find and less interesting to people, so I think Paizo will end openly concentrating on rebuilding d20, rather than carrying the existing stuff forward.

A few years down the road, if d20 is still rolling, it will be because people have left behind all the old stuff in favor of new versions of the old stuff - and that will be a good thing.

RPGObjects_chuck

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September 10, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
I think PDFs loom large in the history of the OGL, and will continue to.

This is another avenue of support WOTC has willingly cut itself off from.

So even if print editions of the OGL ever go away (I do not believe this will happen), you STILL have PDFs as a source of support for the OGL games you currently own.

This will keep more folks playing them imo.

That's been the beauty of the retro-clones. If you can get NEW product for a rule set, even OD&D of AD&D, you're more likely to make it your game of choice. Its gaming econ 101 and the reason for the OGL in the first place.
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