Quote from: tenbones;1125933Can we start a thread on the the evil of Monopoly and its insinuated goal of becoming a slumlord and all the crimes and shit associated with such places? OMG... this is like genocide!

Why is there only one game of Monopoly?

Quote from: Cloyer Bulse;1126569A playable orc, properly speaking, would just be a half-orc of some sort, since orcs themselves are "orc-minded" -- slaves. The human agency supplied by the player is what makes them half-orc and not wholly orc.

You've got to love Orcs and their Dark Lords. In my games, Orcs have a natural inclination to serve a Dark Lord, no matter what they would normally do.

Quote from: soltakss;1126637You've got to love Orcs and their Dark Lords. In my games, Orcs have a natural inclination to serve a Dark Lord, no matter what they would normally do.

Do you go with typically LE orcs then instead of the CE ones (assuming you use D&D alignments)?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1126625Yes, of course. Early D&D also had naked boobies in some of the art. For a game that eventually got aimed at kids, and was sold in the kid's toy section of the Sears catalog, (not to mention the kid friendly cartoon and toy merchandising) it touched on some more "adult" themes from the literature that inspired it.

I agree with the spirit of this, but there is a huge difference between naked boobies and rape.

Quote from: Zirunel;1126629And frankly, even that sort of rape has never come up in play. Because who wants that? Really?

You know, thinking back to when I started playing rpgs in the 70s, as an early-teen boy, playing with a group of other early teens (mostly boys), who you'd think might be super-keen on introducing giggly potentially creepy sex-stuff into rp, we never did. However interested in sex we might have been (and cmon, young teens, hormones), nobody but nobody felt rping was a suitable venue for that. And who wanted to be "that guy?"

I am similar. I played a fair amount of 1E D&D back during the 1980s as a teenager, and I don't recall any sort of rape to ever be discussed as part of the game. I don't think this was prudishness, and it wasn't deliberately avoiding the topic. Rather, we felt it didn't fit with the high fantasy genre. We had half-orc and half-ogre characters, but their family background was never considered. Partly, D&D deliberately has PCs created without parents -- compared to something like Pendragon or HarnMaster where your family background is important for the game.

I don't have a problem with groups deciding to have games where half-orcs often result from rape, but I think it's pretty reasonable and not overly prudish to avoid the subject in the core game.

Everyone knows half-orcs are delivered by half-storks.

Quote from: jhkim;1126656I agree with the spirit of this, but there is a huge difference between naked boobies and rape.

I disagree. I think there's a comparable difference between a half orc character having an unfortunate origin story involving rape, and playing out a rape at a table. The comparison would be having a boob in a module art, and having a module involve a detailed sex scene. And none of it would be appropriate for a saturday morning cartoon.

Can we accuse people that are whining about this as an "issue" of being "overly privileged" since I don't know of any person that actually gets to choose their Background in real life...

Quote from: jhkim;1126656I agree with the spirit of this, but there is a huge difference between naked boobies and rape.


I am similar. I played a fair amount of 1E D&D back during the 1980s as a teenager, and I don't recall any sort of rape to ever be discussed as part of the game. I don't think this was prudishness, and it wasn't deliberately avoiding the topic. Rather, we felt it didn't fit with the high fantasy genre. We had half-orc and half-ogre characters, but their family background was never considered. Partly, D&D deliberately has PCs created without parents -- compared to something like Pendragon or HarnMaster where your family background is important for the game.

I don't have a problem with groups deciding to have games where half-orcs often result from rape, but I think it's pretty reasonable and not overly prudish to avoid the subject in the core game.

Played AD&D back in the 80's as a teenager as well.   I don't remember any rape going on either.   Granted my wife (who was my girlfriend at the time) played with us during those years.... one would think that might have had something to do with it but the guys, which we still play with to this day, still got into trouble with the farmer's daughter or the local barmaid which sometimes turned out to be a vampire or a cultist.    It was my best friend, his little brother, another friend of ours and my girlfriend and later we added her little brother.   35+ years later we are still playing together.   So I guess we are doing something right

Over the years we gamed with strangers from time to time but it was mostly hit and miss.   Now days we just stick with friends and family.

As far as Half Orc's go..... In my world they are produced by Orc's being Orc's and all that entails.   Sometimes its by rape while other times its not.   Honestly there are so few times someone ever played a Half orc in all the years I have ran RPG's that I can count on one hand how many times someone has played one.  We are on our second half orc in 35 years.   Most of the people in our group seem to pick either Half elf, Elf or Human.   They are the most common races played followed by Dwarves, halflings and gnomes.    Hell even when we played Shadowrun, Orks wasn't something our group played.  Trolls sure but not Orks.   Earthdawn? Obsidianmen, trolls, humans, elves and windlings but no Orks.  

I think orc/ork could be deleted from being a playable race and the people at my table wouldn't even blink an eye.

Quote from: Vile;1126657Everyone knows half-orcs are delivered by half-storks.

Good one!

I have honestly never used Orcs when I GM'd any D&D related game. As a player, I have dealt with Orcs. Even in the current campaign, I play in.

My current character. Who is a demon. She actually trussed up some local bandits on a BBQ spit for a band of Orcs. The bandits had been playing darts with a pixie bound to the dartboard. And my demon character didn't like the bandits' behavior. She's lawful evil. And she saw what they did to the pixie as lacking any kind of honor.

As to where half-orcs come from? I would rather think of more pleasant things.

Half-orcs are dumb. If I'm running a certain kind of campaign, I'll just let people play orcs. Of course, usually I won't.

Playing a Half-Orc is not the same as playing an Orc.

Thats just gross.

Quote from: Shasarak;1126841Playing a Half-Orc is not the same as playing an Orc.

Thats just gross.

I agree.

Playing a Half-Orc is gross.

Full-blood Orcs FTW!

Quote from: soltakss;1126637You've got to love Orcs and their Dark Lords. In my games, Orcs have a natural inclination to serve a Dark Lord, no matter what they would normally do.

I don't use D&D alignment, but if I did they would be LE, generally. Even the CE ones would bend to the Dark Lord, in their own special way.

Quote from: soltakss;1126897I don't use D&D alignment, but if I did they would be LE, generally. Even the CE ones would bend to the Dark Lord, in their own special way.

So orks are extra bendy now? I always thought that was the role of elves.