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Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 02, 2020, 03:45:03 PM
Matt Mercer of Critical Role is a super nice guy, he let's us know that all the time. And he told the "D&D Community" to #believeallwomen in the past. So when is going to tell us that now about Creepy Joe?


Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Ratman_tf on May 02, 2020, 03:58:23 PM
Double standards? In progressive feminist advocates?

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Post by: Shasarak on May 02, 2020, 06:27:27 PM
The way I see it is you have an Alignment axis.  On one hand you have the LG people who are both Good and Consistant with what they believe and on the other hand you have the CG people who are both Good and Inconsistant with what they believe depending on the situation.

It is no point a Lawful person asking a Chaotic person to be consistant because they would not even understand what you are talking about.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 03, 2020, 12:23:30 AM
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So when is going to tell us that now about Creepy Joe?

Mercer will become totally anti-Dementia JoJo as soon as he gets the DNC memo for the party to pivot against him and promote whoever they're going to sneak onto the ticket at the brokered convention in August.
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Post by: Mjollnir on May 03, 2020, 01:40:54 AM
The Right memes to Truth, the Left memes to Power.

I can hear it in your voice Pundit, just how much these people's hypocrisy gets under your skin. Some people are aligned towards the Truth by their nature, to others the Truth only has value inasmuch as it's useful to them, it has no intrinsic value.

There's a natural impulse to want to show the contradictions and flaws in their belief system, but the problem is is that they don't actually believe anything. They will "believe" whatever is convenient, whatever they expect to be rewarded and validated for believing, and whatever they think will grant them status and power for believing.

Everyone should read uncle Ted on the psychology of Leftists (https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/unabom-manifesto-1.html)
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Philotomy Jurament on May 03, 2020, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1128679
...whoever they're going to sneak onto the ticket at the brokered convention in August.

The next U.S. presidential election could embrace the ridiculous, circus-like nature of modern U.S. politics and go with Trump/Pence vs. Clinton/Obama (Hillary and Michelle). "Are you not entertained?..."
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Post by: HappyDaze on May 03, 2020, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;1128716
"Are you not entertained?..."

Well, I would be.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Dan Vince on May 03, 2020, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;1128716
The next U.S. presidential election could embrace the ridiculous, circus-like nature of modern U.S. politics and go with Trump/Pence vs. Clinton/Obama (Hillary and Michelle). "Are you not entertained?..."

IMO neither of those women are entertaining.
If the democrats run Vermin Supreme and Jimmy McMillan? Now you're talking.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Theory of Games on May 03, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
SMDH.

You give Mercer and the rest of the Left way too much praise. They don't even know what they're doing enough to shift culture. Remember these are finger-pointers - they excel at identifying what they don't like far better than focusing on what's best for society.

These are children, holding up one toy among others as superior, as if toys could define human destiny.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 03, 2020, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: Dan Vincze;1128727
If the democrats run Vermin Supreme and Jimmy McMillan? Now you're talking.

2020 is the year of Vermin Supreme and Jimmy McMillan.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 04, 2020, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1128644
The way I see it is you have an Alignment axis.  On one hand you have the LG people who are both Good and Consistant with what they believe and on the other hand you have the CG people who are both Good and Inconsistant with what they believe depending on the situation.

It is no point a Lawful person asking a Chaotic person to be consistant because they would not even understand what you are talking about.


This is so damn true. Consider my mind blown. Also, Matt better be careful playing with the fire of social justice. As we all know it takes nothing for SJWs to turn on their own. I think if Mercer pulled a Koebel it would shred the streaming and D&D scenes for a good while as the tribe fractured and fell to civil war.
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Post by: RandyB on May 04, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1128797
This is so damn true. Consider my mind blown. Also, Matt better be careful playing with the fire of social justice. As we all know it takes nothing for SJWs to turn on their own. I think if Mercer pulled a Koebel it would shred the streaming and D&D scenes for a good while as the tribe fractured and fell to civil war.

That's not an "if", that's a "when".
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 04, 2020, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1128799
That's not an "if", that's a "when".


If he inserts himself into the wrong hole of this Biden #MeToo moment that could be the "when".
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: trechriron on May 04, 2020, 04:28:36 PM
#believeallwomen really means "believe me when I want to destroy someone with a twitter mob".

The actual purpose behind Believe All Women was to speak against the constant denials of people in a woman's orbit and people of authority she came to for help. It was about doing the rape kit AND then pursuing the evidence in court. It was about treating the woman with sincerity and concern, getting her help, and helping through the process. It was sparked by the consistent denials like;

"Uncle Frank would never do that, he's a good person."
"You shouldn't be walking alone."
"You shouldn't have been dressed like that."
"Boys will be boys."

Believe All Woman was not a blank check to be written to the public at large to simply drop all reason, due process, or individuals rights. It was not a blank check to form up a posse, locate someone with a penis, and then burn them alive. Believe All Women is not a justification to erase personal liberty or worse, shit all over the founders of America's wishes that we don't behave like a monarchy beholden to the unproven whims of one person - or even a few people.

Of course, because I refuse to join or support the inquisition, I'm a "rape apologist" heathen who... wait for it... should be burned at the stake.

I know many here understand this. I just reiterate for the looky-loos who lurk across theRPGsite lacking the courage to jump in and participate in meaningful conversation.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 04, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
This in part why I passed on getting their Critical Role book WOTC put out.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: SHARK on May 04, 2020, 07:06:04 PM
Quote from: Omega;1128820
This in part why I passed on getting their Critical Role book WOTC put out.

Greetings!

Wait, Omega! Can you elaborate on what you mean here more?

What do you think of the Critical Role book? I leafed through it briefly at my game store, just to take a look. Ehh. I didn't really see anything that leaped out at me as worthwhile. and you know I can't stand whiny, SJW politics being shoved down my throat, either.:D I'm not really clear on what the Critical Role book is actually trying to accomplish--for a game to really be like Critical Role, you need cameras and mics and people that are really good at acting, and super-interested in the drama of the campaign and all that. Am I making any sense? Maybe I am interpreting it wrong though.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Shasarak on May 04, 2020, 07:14:47 PM
Quote from: Omega;1128820
This in part why I passed on getting their Critical Role book WOTC put out.

I know people tell me not to judge a book by its cover, but I judged that book by its cover.

Could they not afford to get one of the decent DnD artists?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on May 04, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1128823
Greetings!

Wait, Omega! Can you elaborate on what you mean here more?

What do you think of the Critical Role book? I leafed through it briefly at my game store, just to take a look. Ehh. I didn't really see anything that leaped out at me as worthwhile. and you know I can't stand whiny, SJW politics being shoved down my throat, either.:D I'm not really clear on what the Critical Role book is actually trying to accomplish--for a game to really be like Critical Role, you need cameras and mics and people that are really good at acting, and super-interested in the drama of the campaign and all that. Am I making any sense? Maybe I am interpreting it wrong though.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I have a friend that loves to watch Critical Role. He wasn't impressed with Explorer's Guide to Wildemount in the least. He simply said that, while he likes listening to the voice actors (including Mercer himself) for entertainment, the book offers none of that. Instead, it's about as interesting as any random DM's homebrew setting--which is to say not too interesting at all when that DM is not actively running it.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: GeekyBugle on May 04, 2020, 07:48:20 PM
Quote from: trechriron;1128809
#believeallwomen really means "believe me when I want to destroy someone with a twitter mob".

The actual purpose behind Believe All Women was to speak against the constant denials of people in a woman's orbit and people of authority she came to for help. It was about doing the rape kit AND then pursuing the evidence in court. It was about treating the woman with sincerity and concern, getting her help, and helping through the process. It was sparked by the consistent denials like;

"Uncle Frank would never do that, he's a good person."
"You shouldn't be walking alone."
"You shouldn't have been dressed like that."
"Boys will be boys."

Believe All Woman was not a blank check to be written to the public at large to simply drop all reason, due process, or individuals rights. It was not a blank check to form up a posse, locate someone with a penis, and then burn them alive. Believe All Women is not a justification to erase personal liberty or worse, shit all over the founders of America's wishes that we don't behave like a monarchy beholden to the unproven whims of one person - or even a few people.

Of course, because I refuse to join or support the inquisition, I'm a "rape apologist" heathen who... wait for it... should be burned at the stake.

I know many here understand this. I just reiterate for the looky-loos who lurk across theRPGsite lacking the courage to jump in and participate in meaningful conversation.

"You shouldn't be walking alone." isn't a denial, it's a piece of solid advice to prevent bad shit happening to you whatever your sex or sexuality may be.

"Boys will be boys." BULLSHIT, show me where this has ever been a denial for rape!

As for the rest of your unproven and unsupported by the evidence claims...

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"

And that's granting you all of the claims about the motivation behind the witch hunt.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: SHARK on May 04, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1128826
I have a friend that loves to watch Critical Role. He wasn't impressed with Explorer's Guide to Wildemount in the least. He simply said that, while he likes listening to the voice actors (including Mercer himself) for entertainment, the book offers none of that. Instead, it's about as interesting as any random DM's homebrew setting--which is to say not too interesting at all when that DM is not actively running it.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Interesting, HappyDaze! Yeah, I looked through it, and it just seemed kind of bland. *shrugs* If I can point to an example, 3E's Campaign Book for Forgotten Realms, the huge hardcover that covered the whole campaign setting, right? I don't even *run* my campaigns in Forgotten Realms, and I looked through that in the game store for like, 10 minutes, and aid to myself, "Fuck! I gotta get this!" And I bought it immediately.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 04, 2020, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1128827
"You shouldn't be walking alone." isn't a denial, it's a piece of solid advice to prevent bad shit happening to you whatever your sex or sexuality may be.

"Boys will be boys." BULLSHIT, show me where this has ever been a denial for rape!

As for the rest of your unproven and unsupported by the evidence claims...

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"

And that's granting you all of the claims about the motivation behind the witch hunt.

I could be mistaken but those reasons could be given as examples of stereotypical excuses, not reasonable statements.

SHARK, Wildemount looks neat and I like the videos I’ve seen on it (I don’t have it). Now, what I do want is Mythic Odysseys of Theros, sight (mostly) unseen. It looks straight-up dope as fuck!
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Post by: Ratman_tf on May 04, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
Watching people play D&D is like nails on a chalkboard to me. I can't quite articulate the why yet. Actually playing D&D is fun, but watching it being played isn't.
And I do like watching minatures and board games being played.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: SHARK on May 04, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1128830
I could be mistaken but those reasons could be given as examples of stereotypical excuses, not reasonable statements.

SHARK, Wildemount looks neat and I like the videos I've seen on it (I don't have it). Now, what I do want is Mythic Odysseys of Theros, sight (mostly) unseen. It looks straight-up dope as fuck!


Greetings!

Hmmm. Interesting, Alderaan. Mythic Odysseys of Theros? I wonder what that's all about? Anything Greek, Roman and such is awesome in my book!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Philotomy Jurament on May 04, 2020, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1128834
Watching people play D&D is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
Yeah, I have exactly zero interest in watching people play D&D. I don't understand the appeal at all. Can't say I'd want to watch a board game, either. While unlikely, I *might* watch a miniatures wargame, though, if it covered subject matter and time periods that interest me. (No interest in sci-fi or WH40K stuff, mild interest in D&D-related fantasy like Greyhawk Shield Lands vs. Horned Society, main interest would be historical from ancients up through the American war between the states.)
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 04, 2020, 10:31:43 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1128837
Greetings!

Hmmm. Interesting, Alderaan. Mythic Odysseys of Theros? I wonder what that's all about? Anything Greek, Roman and such is awesome in my book!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Agreed! I love AC: Odyssey and have wanted to run a fantasy "Greek" epic for a while now. Theros is a MTG setting brought to 5e (like Ravnica) and everything I have been able to glean looks great. Another "not-Greek-but-Greek-D&D" thing is Odyssey of the Dragonlords.
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Post by: insubordinate polyhedral on May 04, 2020, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1128837
Greetings!

Hmmm. Interesting, Alderaan. Mythic Odysseys of Theros? I wonder what that's all about? Anything Greek, Roman and such is awesome in my book!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Oh hey I can tl;dr this one for you if it helps.

Theros is a plane/setting from Magic: the Gathering, originally released in 2015 or so. It's broadly based on Greek mythology with a pantheon aligned along Magic's color wheel: Erebos, God of the Dead (black); Heliod, God of the Sun (white); Thassa, Goddess of the Sea (blue); Purphoros, God of the Forge; and Nylea, Goddess of the Hunt (green). More of the pantheon was introduced later along multicolor lines, such as Ephara, Goddess of the Polis (blue/white, INT/WIS focused lawful type). The gods' portrayal was pretty good; they didn't shy away from making them demanding, sometimes petty, often temperamental in the way the Greek gods can be portrayed. The art and story for the set had a solid Greco-Roman feel to it, and they brought back Terese Nielsen who produced some truly gorgeous pieces for the set, as she does.

The major conflict of the original Theros story was upheaval and destruction caused by Xenagos (chaotic evil?), an upstart planeswalker, trying to become part of the pantheon of gods of Theros through sacrifices and general do-baddery and usurping. The power of the gods was waning and struggling because their power derives from belief of the people of Theros. Another planeswalker, Elspeth (lawful good) also arrived on the plane, seeking sanctuary and maybe the chance to settle down after some long battles with one of Magic's overarching big bads. She went on a quest to stop Xenagos and protect the plane,
SPOILER (Hover over section below to view.)

made some bargains with the gods (Erebos and Heliod, if I remember right), and ultimately died in the attempt, along with her friend/maybe lover from the plane, Daxos of Meletis (neutral good, scholar-warrior type).
I remember Heliod behaving in an absolutist and demanding way that was frustratingly befitting for the source mythology.

It was a solid set and story, and something I quite enjoyed. Magic is supposed to be returning to Theros soon, or maybe it already has. I'm not sure I'd trust today's WotC with the material (mainly because I don't really trust them with anything at this point). There was also a stupid cancel culture mob that went after Terese Nielsen that makes me not optimistic that the 5e book would have her work in it, but maybe more reasonable heads prevailed.

Theros was the last? (one of the last?) sets before WotC discontinued the lore novels again. They are available cheaply on Kindle for a couple of bucks, and the writing was pretty good. Hard to say if that'll be predictive of the quality of the 5e book, but it's a relatively cheap option to get a taste for whether Theros-the-setting might appeal to your sensibilities.

Sorry I guess that's a rather long tl;dr.  But, hope it's useful. Cheers. :D
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 05, 2020, 03:29:03 AM
Quote from: trechriron;1128809
The actual purpose behind Believe All Women was to speak against the constant denials of people in a woman's orbit and people of authority she came to for help.


That's a cute rewrite of history.

PoundMeToo was always a sham. The laughable "Believe All Wahmens" was brain dead virtue signalling to rally the Twitter mobs.

And in the end, the sham and the hypocrisy has done damage to real victims of abuse...and will continue doing damage for a decade to come.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: SHARK on May 05, 2020, 03:43:51 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1128871
That's a cute rewrite of history.

PoundMeToo was always a sham. The laughable "Believe All Wahmens" was brain dead virtue signalling to rally the Twitter mobs.

And in the end, the sham and the hypocrisy has done damage to real victims of abuse...and will continue doing damage for a decade to come.

Greetings!

"Poundmetoo"!!!:D Fucking hilarious, Spinachcat!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
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Post by: Mishihari on May 05, 2020, 04:32:03 AM
Hypocrisy is one of the defining characteristics of liberalism.  Also water is wet and things fall downward.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 05, 2020, 05:26:43 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1128823
Greetings!

Wait, Omega! Can you elaborate on what you mean here more?


Far as I know theres nothing wrong in the book itself. Its Mercer himself that was the turnoff. Same as if I'd known Sarkesian and Quin were part of the Betrayal at House on the Hill, I'd have likely considered passing on it.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on May 05, 2020, 05:30:05 AM
Quote from: Omega;1128880
Far as I know theres nothing wrong in the book itself. Its Mercer himself that was the turnoff. Same as if I'd known Sarkesian and Quin were part of the Betrayal at House on the Hill, I'd have likely considered passing on it.

From my own read through, I didn't find enough in it to make it stand out. In some places, particularly the lifting of the boring 4e "every god rehashed and drained of flavor" pantheon (Bahamut, Moradin, Raven Queen, Pelor, Kord, etc.) done in an even more rehashed and drained of flavor way, I just felt like it was bad homebrew.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 05, 2020, 05:40:44 AM
Quote from: Shasarak;1128824
I know people tell me not to judge a book by its cover, but I judged that book by its cover.

Could they not afford to get one of the decent DnD artists?


This one?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/criticalrole/images/0/09/Explore%27s_Guide_to_Wildemount.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/360?cb=20200225185358)

Yeah that didnt grab me either. Why werent they using their own artists who are pretty good judging from their animated shorts. Not sure who did the comics.

I had a glance through it when at the store and none of the art looked like it was from the series? Looks bog standard 5e overall.

Also... retread art from Volo, Mordenkainen and Xanithar? Really?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on May 05, 2020, 05:49:03 AM
Quote from: Omega;1128882
This one?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/criticalrole/images/0/09/Explore%27s_Guide_to_Wildemount.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/360?cb=20200225185358)

Yeah that didnt grab me either. Why werent they using their own artists who are pretty good judging from their animated shorts. Not sure who did the comics.

I had a glance through it when at the store and none of the art looked like it was from the series? Looks bog standard 5e overall.

Also... retread art from Volo, Mordenkainen and Xanithar? Really?

You'd think that people putting out a gaming product would know to steer away from the d12 by now. But here they just rubbed the numbers off and threw it on the cover.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 05, 2020, 05:50:39 AM
And FYI: BelieveAllWomen has been around a long long time. At least since the 70s when my stepmother tried to murder my dad and then called the cops when it failed and told them he assaulted HER. The cops knew who was guilty, but had to take my dad in because... women!

And this is part of why we get these pushbacks as invariably women can and will abuse it till its meaningless. I mean we are back, again to "rape" being a joke now due to the insane levels of abuse of the term.
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Post by: Omega on May 05, 2020, 05:57:32 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1128883
You'd think that people putting out a gaming product would know to steer away from the d12 by now. But here they just rubbed the numbers off and threw it on the cover.

Hey now! Pythagoras loved the dodecahedron!
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on May 05, 2020, 05:59:59 AM
Quote from: Omega;1128885
Hey now! Pythagoras loved the dodecahedron!

And when was the last time he put anything new out?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on May 05, 2020, 02:26:43 PM
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The way I see it is you have an Alignment axis. On one hand you have the LG people who are both Good and Consistant with what they believe and on the other hand you have the CG people who are both Good and Inconsistant with what they believe depending on the situation.

It is no point a Lawful person asking a Chaotic person to be consistant because they would not even understand what you are talking about.


I cannot say how much I hate such defining of Chaotic/Lawful axis.
Whether you are consistent of not - should depend of your Intelligence and Wisdom score - one for understanding of abstract concepts and another for
Chaotic - Lawful is more anarchy/libertarianism vs big state / empire and in more spiritual sense stasis vs change of the world.

I hate those charts that define CN as guys with low Wisdom basically :P

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What do you think of the Critical Role book? I leafed through it briefly at my game store, just to take a look. Ehh. I didn't really see anything that leaped out at me as worthwhile. and you know I can't stand whiny, SJW politics being shoved down my throat, either. I'm not really clear on what the Critical Role book is actually trying to accomplish--for a game to really be like Critical Role, you need cameras and mics and people that are really good at acting, and super-interested in the drama of the campaign and all that. Am I making any sense? Maybe I am interpreting it wrong though.


There were other books than Tal'Dorei and Wildemount Campaign Settings which are well terribly generic campaign setting, because well what can I say - as I am like 10 episodes into first campaign, I cannot say Mercer do campaigns that are really interesting - it's entertainment value came from acting abilities and comedic timing of his players.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 05, 2020, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1128886
And when was the last time he put anything new out?

Well one of his fans came up with a dodecahedron crystal...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Ho-Mg-ZnQuasicrystal.jpg)

But joking aside thats one of the more uninformative covers for a IP products out there. When fist glanced at it did not even realize it was related to Critical Role.
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Post by: Shasarak on May 05, 2020, 05:23:32 PM
Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West;1128916
I cannot say how much I hate such defining of Chaotic/Lawful axis.
Whether you are consistent of not - should depend of your Intelligence and Wisdom score - one for understanding of abstract concepts and another for
Chaotic - Lawful is more anarchy/libertarianism vs big state / empire and in more spiritual sense stasis vs change of the world.

I hate those charts that define CN as guys with low Wisdom basically :P


I always love a good Alignment discussion.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on May 05, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
Funny enough in Polish Alignment is very badly IMHO translated as "Charakter" which means more personality or nature, and in this sense Chaotis as bad-organised is kinda ok.
But since we have those Great Cosmic Powers in D&D and English term is more of your affinity and support of their cause, I see no reason to avoid very disciplined agent of Anarchy or clueless disorganised followers of Law.

Also treating it more religiously-politically than personality per se cuts off this Chaotic Neutral - as psychopatic GM bane PC alignment ;)
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 05, 2020, 09:20:31 PM
In my OD&D, the Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic alignment is simple. If your PC believes in the value of civilization with its rules, roads, taxes and kings, then you're Lawful. If your PC thinks all that stuff is crap to be avoided, mocked or ignored, you're Chaotic. If your PC either doesn't have strong feelings about civilization either way and takes each situation on its own based on what's best for the PC at the moment, then you're Neutral. Lawful gods are highly authoritarian. Neutral gods are those uninvolved with civilization - often abstract concepts, like a Goddess of Beauty or spirits of a certain location, like a Living Sea. Chaotic gods are primal forces. Elemental and nature gods, in my games, are Chaotic gods - aka, gods of storms, wild hunts, wild growth and erosion.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Shasarak on May 05, 2020, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West;1128947
Funny enough in Polish Alignment is very badly IMHO translated as "Charakter" which means more personality or nature, and in this sense Chaotis as bad-organised is kinda ok.
But since we have those Great Cosmic Powers in D&D and English term is more of your affinity and support of their cause, I see no reason to avoid very disciplined agent of Anarchy or clueless disorganised followers of Law.

Discipline and Cluelessness are not really alignment descriptors though.  You could really apply them to any individual and on the other hand is your disciplined Anarchist going to be consistent day to day?  Is Han Solo going to have a itemised check list for regular maintenance on the Millennium Falcon?  Well maybe but you never see that in the movie.

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Also treating it more religiously-politically than personality per se cuts off this Chaotic Neutral - as psychopatic GM bane PC alignment ;)

I always saw Han Solo as starting off CN shifting to CG.  I dont know how psychopatic he would be in a campaign.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Razor 007 on May 06, 2020, 12:46:39 AM
Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;1128716
The next U.S. presidential election could embrace the ridiculous, circus-like nature of modern U.S. politics and go with Trump/Pence vs. Clinton/Obama (Hillary and Michelle). "Are you not entertained?..."



"Bread and Circus for All".
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 11, 2020, 12:00:04 AM
Thus far no heroic comments in defense of believing Tara Reade from Mercer.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 11, 2020, 04:10:31 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1129528
Thus far no heroic comments in defense of believing Tara Reade from Mercer.

Cher & AOC are leading the way with the new DNC slogan "We believe Tara and we're voting for Biden because Orange Man Extra Bad."
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 11, 2020, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1129541
Cher & AOC are leading the way with the new DNC slogan "We believe Tara and we're voting for Biden because Orange Man Extra Bad."


At least they're consistently stupid. :D
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Zirunel on May 11, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1129528
Thus far no heroic comments in defense of believing Tara Reade from Mercer.

Who cares? Does it matter what some online rpg guy has to say about any of this? Does it matter if he says nothing at all?

Certainly I don't give a flying fuck about his thoughts on this. Or his lack of them.

Full disclosure, I don't live on Twitter desperately seeking shit to get outraged about, so maybe I'm out of the loop on this one.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: VisionStorm on May 11, 2020, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129578
Quote from: Spinachcat;1129541
Cher & AOC are leading the way with the new DNC slogan "We believe Tara and we're voting for Biden because Orange Man Extra Bad."


At least they're consistently stupid. :D


When people are so adamantly against a guy that they would vote for a senile old man who they believe to be a rapist, is barely coherent half the time and could die before the election, you know that TDS is not just an internet slang but a solid clinical psychological condition. This goes beyond stupidity, this is insane.

Quote from: Zirunel;1129594
Who cares? Does it matter what some online rpg guy has to say about any of this? Does it matter if he says nothing at all?

Certainly I don't give a flying fuck about his thoughts on this. Or his lack of them.

Full disclosure, I don't live on Twitter desperately seeking shit to get outraged about, so maybe I'm out of the loop on this one.


Yeah, I don't give much of a crap either, but sometimes it's fun to point out hypocrisy and stupidity.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: SHARK on May 11, 2020, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm;1129597
When people are so adamantly against a guy that they would vote for a senile old man who they believe to be a rapist, is barely coherent half the time and could die before the election, you know that TDS is not just an internet slang but a solid clinical psychological condition. This goes beyond stupidity, this is insane.



Yeah, I don't give much of a crap either, but sometimes it's fun to point out hypocrisy and stupidity.

Greetings!

Yeah, it's funny to laugh at the Liberal's pathetic stupidity and gross hypocrisy. Imagine you in a non-political vacuum, and being presented with Biden's portfolio. Yes, there are credible evidence of him raping a woman. Yes, he is incredibly old and senile. Yes, he has made numerous statements that are a reflection of his blabbering, incoherent mental state. And amongst the more than a dozen Democratic candidates to become the next President of the United States, this old man, Biden, is the best the democratic party can come up with?:D

*Laughing* It's pathetic, stupidly political and cynical, and so fucking hypocritical. How can the Liberals possibly have any dignity what so ever? It's a huge and pathetic political low-point, wallowing in shit, for the Democratic party.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: JeffB on May 11, 2020, 07:06:14 PM
I don't give a Flying F about Mercer either- however the issue is, when it benefitted his preferred politicians/party he was quick to make sure he felt we should be "believing women".

Now that it's not in his political best interest, he is silent.... along with a gazillion other people who previously  were all about  "believing women".

So yeah, Hypocritical douche bag.

Nice guy though :D
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Jaeger on May 11, 2020, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from: JeffB;1129611
I don't give a Flying F about Mercer either- however the issue is, when it benefitted his preferred politicians/party he was quick to make sure he felt we should be "believing women".

Now that it's not in his political best interest, he is silent.... along with a gazillion other people who previously  were all about  "believing women".

So yeah, Hypocritical douche bag.

Nice guy though :D

One thing I have learned about the Left:

They do not care if you point out their own hypocrisy.

They do not care if you point out their double standards.

They know that if you hold different views than them; you are EVIL.

And anything that they do or say that gets rid of EVIL is 100% Acceptable!


Not one leftist who actually looks at these forums will change their vote for Biden because of these accusations. Nor will they reflect on the utter hypocrisy of their positions.

Because: Orange. Man. BAD.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 12, 2020, 01:32:00 AM
I must have missed it. When has Matt Mercer said BelieveAllWomen?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: moonsweeper on May 12, 2020, 08:32:27 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;1129643
I must have missed it. When has Matt Mercer said BelieveAllWomen?


This is the first link that shows up on Google for "Matt Mercer believe all women"

https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1045695542121000960?lang=en


You might want to try a little harder next time, you pathetic little fuck. :D
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: JeffB on May 12, 2020, 09:04:37 AM
Quote from: Jaeger;1129617
One thing I have learned about the Left:

They do not care if you point out their own hypocrisy.

They do not care if you point out their double standards.

They know that if you hold different views than them; you are EVIL.

And anything that they do or say that gets rid of EVIL is 100% Acceptable!


Not one leftist who actually looks at these forums will change their vote for Biden because of these accusations. Nor will they reflect on the utter hypocrisy of their positions.

Because: Orange. Man. BAD.


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Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 12, 2020, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: JeffB;1129611
I don't give a Flying F about Mercer either- however the issue is, when it benefitted his preferred politicians/party he was quick to make sure he felt we should be "believing women".

Now that it's not in his political best interest, he is silent.... along with a gazillion other people who previously  were all about  "believing women".

So yeah, Hypocritical douche bag.

Nice guy though :D


Do we know if anyone's confronted him about it? I'd be interested to see his reaction.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: cenmarik on May 12, 2020, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129664
Do we know if anyone's confronted him about it? I'd be interested to see his reaction.

Why confront him? Find the biggest roost of identity politicians and quote that tweet w/ "Justice 4 Tara Reade!!!" Let them have fun thrashing it out.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: JeffB on May 12, 2020, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129664
Do we know if anyone's confronted him about it? I'd be interested to see his reaction.

I doubt it. I don't Twitter anymore though, so I have no idea.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 12, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper;1129658
This is the first link that shows up on Google for "Matt Mercer believe all women"

https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1045695542121000960?lang=en


You might want to try a little harder next time, you pathetic little fuck. :D

1) Actually googling "Matt Mercer believe all women" gets only two links, both back to right HERE! Here you can try it yourself (https://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Matt+Mercer+believe+all+women%22).

2) He does not in fact say or imply Believe All Women in that. Here is the full text of your link:

"If my giving words of support to the millions of victimized women and men, including a brave one who stood before the world to fight, at the top of our show angers you as "politicizing", then you are more than welcome to get the FUCK out of our game and into some proper therapy."

So how is that "believe all women"? Again, I may well have missed it, but I seem to still be missing it?

Were you guys just assuming he said that and ranting from that assumption without ever actually confirming it's a position he's held? If not, can ANYONE provide a link to him ever saying that?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 12, 2020, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;1129696
1) Actually googling "Matt Mercer believe all women" gets only two links, both back to right HERE! Here you can try it yourself (https://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Matt+Mercer+believe+all+women%22).

2) He does not in fact say or imply Believe All Women in that. Here is the full text of your link:

"If my giving words of support to the millions of victimized women and men, including a brave one who stood before the world to fight, at the top of our show angers you as "politicizing", then you are more than welcome to get the FUCK out of our game and into some proper therapy."

So how is that "believe all women"? Again, I may well have missed it, but I seem to still be missing it?

Were you guys just assuming he said that and ranting from that assumption without ever actually confirming it's a position he's held? If not, can ANYONE provide a link to him ever saying that?


Which victims is he mentioning? Assuming they're of the #MeToo variety (a safe assumption)...which has the mantra "Believe All Women"...he's therefore supporting said mantra.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 12, 2020, 05:50:33 PM
Honestly Id love to believe that hes just been conned into believing this stuff. Which is frighteningly common.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: jeff37923 on May 12, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;1129696
"If my giving words of support to the millions of victimized women and men, including a brave one who stood before the world to fight, at the top of our show angers you as "politicizing", then you are more than welcome to get the FUCK out of our game and into some proper therapy."

Hey, look! It's another virtue signalling mouthpiece trying to gatekeep against those who don't share his politics!
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Shasarak on May 12, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Look, I dont think that you could expect Matt to support every victimized woman.

At best just the ones that support his channel.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: tenbones on May 12, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
Well you know... they're not victims if the accused are people with the right politics. Of course this has to be lensed through the Intersectional Madness Framework, which tends to induce cannibalism quite a bit.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: moonsweeper on May 12, 2020, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;1129696
1) Actually googling "Matt Mercer believe all women" gets only two links, both back to right HERE! Here you can try it yourself (https://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Matt+Mercer+believe+all+women%22).

2) He does not in fact say or imply Believe All Women in that. Here is the full text of your link:

"If my giving words of support to the millions of victimized women and men, including a brave one who stood before the world to fight, at the top of our show angers you as "politicizing", then you are more than welcome to get the FUCK out of our game and into some proper therapy."

So how is that "believe all women"? Again, I may well have missed it, but I seem to still be missing it?

Were you guys just assuming he said that and ranting from that assumption without ever actually confirming it's a position he's held? If not, can ANYONE provide a link to him ever saying that?


I used the quotes to designate the exact string I typed in...are you really that dense or are you just pulling a jhkim? :rolleyes:
...how about we try the second link under the search?

https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1045873582423724032?lang=en

Oh wait...that doesn't look so good for Matt either...

#believeallwomen was the rallying cry of the poundmetoo movement and Mercer never made any bones about his commitment to that.
...And that is Pundy's entire point. When you have to change your principles for political expediency it means you really don't have any principles.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 14, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: Zirunel;1129594
Who cares? Does it matter what some online rpg guy has to say about any of this? Does it matter if he says nothing at all?

Certainly I don't give a flying fuck about his thoughts on this. Or his lack of them.

Full disclosure, I don't live on Twitter desperately seeking shit to get outraged about, so maybe I'm out of the loop on this one.


So, I'm guessing you didn't watch the video? Because there I explain WHY it matters in Mercer's particular case. Because he brought #metoo and #believeallwomen politics into D&D. And made a big point about how anyone who didn't believe Judge Kavanaugh was absolutely unquestionably guilty and should be barred from office, because a WOMYN said so, needs to be thrown out of the Critical Role Fandom, the D&D hobby, and literally forced into mental "therapy", Breshnev-era Soviet-Style. All for not Believing All Women.

Now, all of a sudden he has chose to not say the same about how people must think Joe Biden is guilty & should be barred from office.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 14, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: JeffB;1129611
I don't give a Flying F about Mercer either- however the issue is, when it benefitted his preferred politicians/party he was quick to make sure he felt we should be "believing women".


And demanded Witch Hunts against anyone who refused to, with forced institutionalization as "what they needed" for their wrongthink.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 14, 2020, 04:23:52 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129664
Do we know if anyone's confronted him about it? I'd be interested to see his reaction.


I confronted him. He muted me and suggested I was harmful, and implied to his followers that they should brigade me.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 14, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129704
Which victims is he mentioning? Assuming they're of the #MeToo variety (a safe assumption)...which has the mantra "Believe All Women"...he's therefore supporting said mantra.


On his show, before that post, he had, during a Critical Role video, made a declaration of unquestioning support for Christine Blaisey Ford and calling for "justice" against Judge Kanaugh. It was very clearly based on #BelieveAllWomen which every leftist believed unquestionably until the moment Tara Reade showed up. Now they will  try to pretend that "no one ever said that, NO ONE ever said to believe all women, that's crazy-talk, women are lying whores and should never be believed (if they are accusing a Democrat)".
This in turn will last until the moment they don't need Biden anymore, and some other woman says something about a white male who isn't a democrat, and then they'll claim that they ALWAYS #believeallwomen and always have, and that anyone who refuses to believe and destroy the man's life or career on the flimsiest of accusations needs to be sent to a gulag for nazism.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Steven Mitchell on May 14, 2020, 04:55:37 PM
Yep, Mercer's types have always been bald-faced liars and hypocrites.  What's changed is that they've gotten sloppier about hiding it, because they assume (with some evidence) that they can get away it.  Every time one gets caught, we get the immediate song and dance routine of denial, diverting, irrelevant to the point counter attacks, and eventually letting the subject drop only to start the lies all over again in a few weeks or months when it comes up again.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 14, 2020, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129704
Which victims is he mentioning? Assuming they're of the #MeToo variety (a safe assumption)...which has the mantra "Believe All Women"...he's therefore supporting said mantra.

Naw man, BelieveAllWomen is a subset of MeToo but is not interchangeable with it. You can support MeToo without supporting BelieveAllWomen and many do.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 14, 2020, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1129728
Hey, look! It's another virtue signalling mouthpiece trying to gatekeep against those who don't share his politics!

Don't be that nutter Jeff, this isn't my cause. I had a friend who was once falsely accused of sexual assault (charges dismissed after she confessed to the police she made it up to try and force him to not divorce her), and I don't support BelieveAllWomen.

I am asking for support for the allegation that Mercer supports BelieveAllWomen. I can ask for the evidence of that without being all those things, right? Or is this one of those weird "You must agree or you're the enemy" type bullshit things?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: CTPhipps on May 14, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
My African American studies professor in college (Ohio University) got into a tussle with my Feminist Theory professor (same) once with the issue of women making false rape accusations. Notably, the latter said that you should always believe an accusation because it's almost never the case for a woman to make up such a horrifying life-destroying charge. The former pointed out that black men had been accused of such on a fairly regular basis by white women only to be exonerated by DNA evidence later on or admissions, even though it was often after their lives had been destroyed.

It was a deeply personal and emotional issue for both of them.

Likewise, one of my family was sexually assaulted and called a liar, leading to a lifetime of trauma and self-loathing.

I think that gamers, as a whole, should take these accusations seriously and maybe not use them to score cheap political points.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 14, 2020, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: moonsweeper;1129784
I used the quotes to designate the exact string I typed in...are you really that dense or are you just pulling a jhkim? :rolleyes:
...how about we try the second link under the search?

https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1045873582423724032?lang=en

Oh wait...that doesn't look so good for Matt either...

#believeallwomen was the rallying cry of the poundmetoo movement and Mercer never made any bones about his commitment to that.
...And that is Pundy's entire point. When you have to change your principles for political expediency it means you really don't have any principles.

"When so many of my friends and community who have suffered through sexual assaults and abuses are reliving their trauma because of "politics", you better believe I will call a woman who stands against the privileged tide to tell her story a hero."

Yup, nothing in there about BelieveAllWomen either.

You understand if a person is accused of supporting BelieveAllWomen they have to say they Believe All Women at some point right? This isn't hard. It's not one of those implied support things, and it's not one of those subtle movements where you have to suss out support from context and implications. It's a blatant in your face slogan-based movement. You don't have to try and figure it out because people tell you the words I Believe All Women when they support BelieveAllWomen or they post that hashtag on their posts.

If this is his stance, it should be super easy to find him posting those words or that hashtag.  So where is it?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 14, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1129986
On his show, before that post, he had, during a Critical Role video, made a declaration of unquestioning support for Christine Blaisey Ford and calling for "justice" against Judge Kavanaugh.

That is, also, not BelieveAllWomen. That's a BelieveThatWoman allegation.  Sort of like if I say I BelievePundit that's not a statement of BelieveAllMen.  You know this. Someone can believe Ford without believing all women who make a sexual harassment allegation. Reasonable minds can differ about the Ford case, without it being some bright line proof they believe all allegations by women.

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It was very clearly based on #BelieveAllWomen which every leftist believed unquestionably until the moment Tara Reade showed up.

Well that's bullshit on top of bullshit. It's not "very clearly" that and not "every leftist" believed that. I mean I get given your biases YOU believe that about every leftist, but you believe all sorts of weird crap which isn't self evident or proven.

If Matt Mercer has ever said he Believes All Women, show me where HE SAYS HE BELIEVES ALL WOMEN.

If you cannot show me that (and not implied because this isn't some vague implied movement it has a fucking slogan attached to it which you used demonstrating you know damn well that's the slogan) then admit you just assumed he supports that.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: CTPhipps on May 14, 2020, 07:17:05 PM
Am I the only one who thinks "Believe All Women" is a perfectly valid take and that the whole Tara Reade thing isn't enormously hypocritical as the caveat can still include, "Until there is substantial evidence that the claim is untrue?"

I mean, it feels like a lot of people have a GOTCHA moment when it's...not really?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 14, 2020, 08:17:33 PM
That magical caveat didn't exist until Dementia JoJo got accused of playing sticky fingers without permission.

Also, why should any woman be believed based on a different standard of evidence than any man? If "substantial evidence" is the new alleged bar, then it should be the bar for everyone. Even if they're not the DNC's chosen one.

The GOTCHA moment isn't about Ford vs. Reade. It's the clear and obvious hypocrisy. It's the double standard being trumpeted by the same clowns who can't STFU about how virtuous they are. The Tara Reade thing is just another obvious symptom the Left ONLY cares about about power. Women, like minorities, are actually meaningless, except for their submission to the Left's ideology.

The old Democrat party would understand this and be disgusted, but the current incarnation of the Left isn't Democrat. It's Stalinism. We see it broadcast every day with the CoronaChan fearmongering and the out of control governors. OBEY BAD SCIENCE! OBEDIENCE IS GOODNESS! OR YOU WILL BE PUNISHED!
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 14, 2020, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: CTPhipps;1130001
I think that gamers, as a whole, should take these accusations seriously and maybe not use them to score cheap political points.


We live in the "everything is political" age combined with the "media outrage stories imploding regularly" age, thus there is NO reason to take any accusation of ANYTHING seriously until all the evidence comes to light, aka during the legal trial.

Otherwise, it's all outrage porn.

What gamers should take seriously is keeping politics, and especially outrage porn, from harming their actual play table. The internet scream machine in everyone's pocket combined with the MSM unending false and divisive narratives means the our gaming spaces either have to be curated to the Nth degree with gamers who can co-exist with their differences, but since that's pretty rare, the more realistic option is strict adherence to our gaming spaces being non-political.

Especially if you're gaming in public (game stores, conventions, etc).
It's come to the table, sit down, play the game and leave. Kinda like Vegas.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Kyle Aaron on May 14, 2020, 08:41:52 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1128943
I always love a good Alignment discussion.

I actually like this one.

http://easydamus.com/alignmentreal.html

"I'm not neutral evil, I'm Ambitious!"
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Theory of Games on May 14, 2020, 09:25:18 PM
How did a voice actor-turned-GM get this level of hobby cred? He doesn't even run real D&D: his group flashbangs the rules to their liking.

It's D&D for marketing purposes, the way companies advertise with the fine print ("void where prohibited, some exclusions may vary").

Critical Role is bullshit. It isn't real D&D. Just like reality-TV isn't reality.

Pundit, ignore that cat, because the hobby reads YOU --- if you make Mercer important, he becomes so. He's attached to Mearls and Koebel, both fallen icons.

Pundit gives him a lot of credit because the sheep follow him, but I could crush his invulnerable persona in a few sentences.

He matters about as much as you let him.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 14, 2020, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1130013
I actually like this one.

http://easydamus.com/alignmentreal.html

"I'm not neutral evil, I'm Ambitious!"


THAT deserves its own thread! Very cool find.


Quote from: Theory of Games;1130018
How did a voice actor-turned-GM get this level of hobby cred?


Viewership and the imprimatur of WotC.

However, its questionable how much his viewership actually plays. Your comparison to "reality TV" is quite apt.

But D&D as a business has always relied on customers who don't actually play the game, but purchase the ancillaries.

While worthless to the actual play hobby, they are a valuable revenue stream.

Combine that financial aspect with the fact Mercer is an ideological ally and the WotC symbiosis makes total sense.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Ratman_tf on May 15, 2020, 03:23:32 AM
Quote from: CTPhipps;1130007
Am I the only one who thinks "Believe All Women" is a perfectly valid take and that the whole Tara Reade thing isn't enormously hypocritical as the caveat can still include, "Until there is substantial evidence that the claim is untrue?"

I mean, it feels like a lot of people have a GOTCHA moment when it's...not really?

After posting your anecdote (that I think is believable) about the African American studies professor?

Women are human beings. Human beings lie. There is a strong social situation revolving around rape, rape accusations and false rape accusations. Some women have demonstrably used false rape allegations to further some goal, like to avoid recrminations for infidelity, for one example.

No, I'll believe someone when I have sufficient reason to believe them, measured against the seriousness of the claim. I don't simply "Believe women".

The Tara Reid situation is strikingly hypocritical, and I'll bet you 100 internet dollars the Democrats change their tune in a few years when, in hindsight,  it weakens their position regarding sexual assault claims. Likely the next time they want to use that tactic against a Republican.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: SHARK on May 15, 2020, 03:43:42 AM
Greetings!

The Liberals can fucking choke on their hypocrisy. Of course they are hypocrits. Their "Values" only apply to whenever they want to burn some Republican at the stake. Fellow travelers need "Understanding and compassion, and the benefit of the doubt." Strange how when it is a liberal, they often want to "Look at all the evidence" before rendering judgment.

*laughing*

It makes me think of clowns and absolute frauds like HUGO SCHWYZER!:D

Yeah. It's amazing how much the fucking Liberals live entirely by the neurosis of *Projection*. For everything in their fucked up, pathetic, shitty lives.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 15, 2020, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games;1130018
He doesn't even run real D&D: his group flashbangs the rules to their liking.

Tweaking rules to your liking is "real D&D" you fucking fake Scotsman.

Particularly since their rules tweaks have literally become official 5e rules in two books now, as opposed to your house rules which have appeared in zero official rules.

Jesus, the utter hypocrisy that runs rampant on this site sometimes...
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 15, 2020, 06:26:49 PM
Quote from: CTPhipps;1130007
Am I the only one who thinks "Believe All Women" is a perfectly valid take and that the whole Tara Reade thing isn't enormously hypocritical as the caveat can still include, "Until there is substantial evidence that the claim is untrue?"

I mean, it feels like a lot of people have a GOTCHA moment when it's...not really?


Except that there was enormous evidence suggesting that Ford's allegations against Judge Kavanaugh were untrue, and yet the Left kept demanding that we UNQUESTIONINGLY accept her account, and that if we didn't we were pure evil.

And on the other hand, there's VASTLY MORE substantiating evidence that there's something to Reade's allegations against Biden, and the Left doesn't care at all. In fact, several important figures on the Left have gone so far as to say "I actually DO believe Tara Reade, but I just think it's far more important to beat Donald Trump, so I'm still going to totally support someone I think is a sexual abuser if it will stop the Orange Man".

And that is absolutely pure hypocrisy.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 15, 2020, 08:42:04 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130081
Tweaking rules to your liking is "real D&D" you fucking fake Scotsman.

Particularly since their rules tweaks have literally become official 5e rules in two books now, as opposed to your house rules which have appeared in zero official rules.

Jesus, the utter hypocrisy that runs rampant on this site sometimes...


You are correct. I feel comfortable adding that while yes, all RPGs are "tweakable", saying Mercer doesn't run D&D RAW and that can cause friction with new players, is a fair assumption. That's not Mercer's fault and I think it's unfair to label him a "crap DM". I'm also comfortable saying that I don't really care how Mercer runs D&D and while I would likely disagree on politics with him, I won't disparage his success, his book or that 5e and CR are smartly wed. Even though I'm not a CR fan I enjoy the spotlight it's helped shine on our hobby.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Alderaan Crumbs on May 15, 2020, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1130103
Except that there was enormous evidence suggesting that Ford's allegations against Judge Kavanaugh were untrue, and yet the Left kept demanding that we UNQUESTIONINGLY accept her account, and that if we didn't we were pure evil.

And on the other hand, there's VASTLY MORE substantiating evidence that there's something to Reade's allegations against Biden, and the Left doesn't care at all. In fact, several important figures on the Left have gone so far as to say "I actually DO believe Tara Reade, but I just think it's far more important to beat Donald Trump, so I'm still going to totally support someone I think is a sexual abuser if it will stop the Orange Man".

And that is absolutely pure hypocrisy.


Did you see that Biden himself said that if what she says is true he wouldn't vote for himself?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Jaeger on May 15, 2020, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1130113
You are correct. I feel comfortable adding that while yes, all RPGs are "tweakable", saying Mercer doesn't run D&D RAW and that can cause friction with new players, is a fair assumption. That's not Mercer's fault and I think it's unfair to label him a "crap DM". ....

While not a fan of CR, it is a bit unfair to say he is a crap DM.

Because we don't know what kind of DM he would be when there are no cameras running, and he is not putting on a show.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Theory of Games on May 15, 2020, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130081
Tweaking rules to your liking is "real D&D" you fucking fake Scotsman.

Particularly since their rules tweaks have literally become official 5e rules in two books now, as opposed to your house rules which have appeared in zero official rules.

Jesus, the utter hypocrisy that runs rampant on this site sometimes...

That doesn't dismiss the bullshit appearance of D&D Critical Role tries to be.

Fuck your Fanship. Fuck you and your guy who doesn't know how the "Sleep" spell works.

System mastery is a real thing, despite you Story-banging lollies that troll this site.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 15, 2020, 11:44:37 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games;1130127
That doesn't dismiss the bullshit appearance of D&D Critical Role tries to be.

Fuck your Fanship. Fuck you and your guy who doesn't know how the "Sleep" spell works.

System mastery is a real thing, despite you Story-banging lollies that troll this site.

I don't watch CR. I am not a fan of his (though I am liking the Wildemont subclasses). Nor am I a fan of storygames.

I just think you're a complete jackass for saying he doesn't play "real D&D" because he tweaked the rules. Nor does one need system "mastery" to play D&D.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: jeff37923 on May 16, 2020, 12:43:37 AM
It doesn't cost anything to not be a WotC shill, either.....
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 16, 2020, 03:48:14 AM
Quote from: CTPhipps;1130001
I think that gamers, as a whole, should take these accusations seriously and maybe not use them to score cheap political points.


Oh come on! Havent you heard? There is no politics in gaming! It is all just made up stories.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 16, 2020, 03:54:58 AM
Quote from: CTPhipps;1130007
Am I the only one who thinks "Believe All Women" is a perfectly valid take and that the whole Tara Reade thing isn't enormously hypocritical as the caveat can still include, "Until there is substantial evidence that the claim is untrue?"

I mean, it feels like a lot of people have a GOTCHA moment when it's...not really?


No. From experience I can tell you this is not new. This has been going on for decades and again is a cyclic thing as women abuse it till we have DontBelieveWomen, again, and the cycle starts to roll around once more.

Dont believe anyone! Listen to both sides and sort it out. If you cant sort it out then step back because its not your place to just believe "BECAUSE!".
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Kyle Aaron on May 16, 2020, 04:15:20 AM
It doesn't matter what I believe unless I'm on a jury for the guy being accused.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 16, 2020, 04:40:28 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130081
Particularly since their rules tweaks have literally become official 5e rules in two books now, as opposed to your house rules which have appeared in zero official rules.


What rules did WotC change to conform to Mercer's house rules?

Did WotC present the change as the new official rule or offer it up as a variant concept?

I'm legitimately asking because I hadn't heard of Mercer's house rules going beyond his own Kickstarter book.


Quote from: RPGPundit;1130103
In fact, several important figures on the Left have gone so far as to say "I actually DO believe Tara Reade, but I just think it's far more important to beat Donald Trump, so I'm still going to totally support someone I think is a sexual abuser if it will stop the Orange Man".


That's the official DNC party line now.

We believe all wahmens, but Orange Man super bad so vote for sticky fingers!


Quote from: RPGPundit;1130103
And that is absolutely pure hypocrisy.


And I don't think anyone cares. Trump supporters aren't going to vote for Biden if he's innocent and his supporters consider getting him in the White House more important than any scandal whatsoever.

One question might be what do the undecideds think, but most of them don't vote. Thus, the bigger question is how MUCH scandal and hypocrisy is needed to get enough Democrats to stay home on election day.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: nDervish on May 16, 2020, 08:50:34 AM
Quote from: Theory of Games;1130127
System mastery is a real thing, despite you Story-banging lollies that troll this site.

Thanks for the laugh!  You're making a totally unfounded connection there.

Fate is a darling of the "story-banging lollies", yet can involve considerable system mastery around how to handle aspects, compels, and the Fate Point economy.

B/X D&D can be played successfully in OSR style with absolutely zero rules mastery (or even knowledge of the rules on the player side) whatsoever.

Rules mastery absolutely is a real thing, but there are those with no taste for it, even among those of us who don't want any "story" in our RPGs aside from the one recounting the session after it's over.  I want my players to do things "because it's what my character would do in that situation", not "because it would make the best story", nor "because it's the most mechanically optimal solution".
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: VisionStorm on May 16, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130149
And I don't think anyone cares. Trump supporters aren't going to vote for Biden if he's innocent and his supporters consider getting him in the White House more important than any scandal whatsoever.


I don't think anyone truly supports Biden, to be honest. Everyone knows he's a senile old man that's barely even aware of WTF is going around him half the time and shouldn't be running for office. The Democrats simply painted themselves into a corner by running off every other viable candidate and ended up with a man who could seriously--no joke or ill intent--DIE or have a stroke or something before the election. And now they're tripping over themselves to pretend that he's their only hope cuz they bet on a dying horse.

It's pathetic and weird, and a testament to how insane politics have become.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Almost_Useless on May 16, 2020, 10:18:11 AM
Quote from: VisionStorm;1130174
I don't think anyone truly supports Biden, to be honest.

There's a difference between winning a nomination and being the only person who didn't lose it.  Biden is the nominee because the Democrat establishment was faced with Candidate Bernie and said, "Are you sure we can't have Barabbas?"
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 16, 2020, 02:15:06 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1130136
It doesn't cost anything to not be a WotC shill, either.....

It doesn't cost anything to not be a Traveller shill, either....
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 16, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130149
What rules did WotC change to conform to Mercer's house rules?

Did WotC present the change as the new official rule or offer it up as a variant concept?

I'm legitimately asking because I hadn't heard of Mercer's house rules going beyond his own Kickstarter book.


EXPLORER'S GUIDE TO WILDEMOUNT (https://dnd.wizards.com/products/wildemount)
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 16, 2020, 05:44:19 PM
That's a Setting book / Rules Supplement. Which might be full of great stuff (I don't know), but that's not a change to 5e's official rules. AKA, how you would run a table of Adventurer's League events.

Is there something specific Mercer created as a house rule that has become the defacto rule at 5e tables?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 16, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games;1130127
System mastery is a real thing, despite you Story-banging lollies that troll this site.

System mastery is important for medium to high crunch games played RAW.

But nothing I play is beyond light/medium and I often ignore RAW, so players who mastered the RAW and expect to use that for their advantage at the table aren't going to be pleased. Rulebooks are rarely opened when I run stuff. I'm far more interested in the players' actions than what rules they are trying to use. The only exception I make is what's on the character sheet. Players should trust whatever is on their sheet and understand how its gonna work in the game.

As for story, that's what happens when we talk about the game in the past tense.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: jeff37923 on May 16, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130198
It doesn't cost anything to not be a Traveller shill, either....

Someone hasn't read my review of Traveller 5.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: jeff37923 on May 16, 2020, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130225
That's a Setting book / Rules Supplement. Which might be full of great stuff (I don't know), but that's not a change to 5e's official rules. AKA, how you would run a table of Adventurer's League events.

Is there something specific Mercer created as a house rule that has become the defacto rule at 5e tables?

There is nothing that Mercer contributed. The same pinhead logic that produces "Orange Man Bad" churns out "Everything WotC D&D Good" equally well.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on May 17, 2020, 02:17:44 AM
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1130114
Did you see that Biden himself said that if what she says is true he wouldn't vote for himself?


I did. It was hilarious, because he clearly didn't get what he was really saying, and for once it was just how out of touch he is, not how senile his dementia is making him.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: WillInNewHaven on May 17, 2020, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: CTPhipps;1130007
Am I the only one who thinks "Believe All Women" is a perfectly valid take and that the whole Tara Reade thing isn't enormously hypocritical as the caveat can still include, "Until there is substantial evidence that the claim is untrue?"

I mean, it feels like a lot of people have a GOTCHA moment when it's...not really?


So, do we believe everyone who accuses anyone of a crime? Because that's where BAW leads. Conviction upon accusation would sure save court costs. As an old Warren court liberal, I am going to stick with due process and skepticism.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: WillInNewHaven on May 17, 2020, 05:14:06 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm;1130174
I don't think anyone truly supports Biden, to be honest. Everyone knows he's a senile old man that's barely even aware of WTF is going around him half the time and shouldn't be running for office. The Democrats simply painted themselves into a corner by running off every other viable candidate and ended up with a man who could seriously--no joke or ill intent--DIE or have a stroke or something before the election. And now they're tripping over themselves to pretend that he's their only hope cuz they bet on a dying horse.

It's pathetic and weird, and a testament to how insane politics have become.


2016: Could we have worse choices than these two?
2020: Hold my beer.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 17, 2020, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130225
That's a Setting book / Rules Supplement. Which might be full of great stuff (I don't know), but that's not a change to 5e's official rules. AKA, how you would run a table of Adventurer's League events.

Is there something specific Mercer created as a house rule that has become the defacto rule at 5e tables?


Yes, of course. If someone plays a subclass from that book, all his house rules for that subclass are the defacto rules for 5e tables for players playing those subclasses.

Which, I will note again, is more than you've published for 5e.

But go on, do tell us loudly how you're not jealous. ;)
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 17, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1130231
Someone hasn't read my review of Traveller 5.


If by "someone" you meant "everyone"?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: jeff37923 on May 17, 2020, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130400
If by "someone" you meant "everyone"?

Oh sweetie, you definitely don't represent everyone.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 18, 2020, 01:06:43 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;1130406
Oh sweetie, you definitely don't represent everyone.

Jeff, people don't care about your personal review of a product not even for sale any longer and which never was a major product in the industry to begin with.  Nobody cares. Really.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: GeekyBugle on May 18, 2020, 01:35:56 AM
Quote from: CTPhipps;1130007
Am I the only one who thinks "Believe All Women" is a perfectly valid take and that the whole Tara Reade thing isn't enormously hypocritical as the caveat can still include, "Until there is substantial evidence that the claim is untrue?"

I mean, it feels like a lot of people have a GOTCHA moment when it's...not really?


Yes, you are.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: jeff37923 on May 18, 2020, 03:43:16 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130422
Jeff, people don't care about your personal review of a product not even for sale any longer and which never was a major product in the industry to begin with.  Nobody cares. Really.

Perhaps, but at least I'm not White Knighting for a game and a company that has demonstrably shown that it doesn't like a major portion of it's fanbase but still wants their money.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on May 18, 2020, 05:27:46 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130399
Yes, of course. If someone plays a subclass from that book, all his house rules for that subclass are the defacto rules for 5e tables for players playing those subclasses.


Since Mercer's book isn't for Forgotten Realms, can people use his subclasses in Adventurer's League games?

AKA, is his book approved for all AL play? If so, then its definitely official material. If not, then its a stand-alone supplement/setting book.

That distinction was an issue during the 3e Greyhawk Living Campaign because WotC was publishing books that players were buying, but then found out they could NOT use during any RPGA official games. A big push during 4e was WotC promising that Living Forgotten Realms campaign players would be able to use everything they purchased.

I have NO IDEA if that carried over for 5e.


Quote from: Mistwell;1130399
Which, I will note again, is more than you've published for 5e.


As I don't play 5e, why would I publish for 5e?

I'm weird about this, but I still believe authors should only publish for games they love to play.


Quote from: Mistwell;1130399
But go on, do tell us loudly how you're not jealous. ;)


I always get so jealous of people who make less money. That's a thing in America. I wail to the gods, why oh why can't I make half my income like these amazing people!!! Oh gods, you hath forsaken me by having my hobbies and career separate!!

Sorry, never had the slightest interest in "fame". I'm coin operated.

Also, having to make an living by pandering to SJW fuckwit "gamers" on social media? Ugh. No thanks. Hard pass.

I'm also not jealous of my favorite bands. I can't work my head around playing the same songs every night in dozens of towns for months on end. But they love the audience energy and that never drew me.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 18, 2020, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1130431
Perhaps, but at least I'm not White Knighting for a game and a company that has demonstrably shown that it doesn't like a major portion of it's fanbase but still wants their money.

I white knight for Gary Gygax and TSR?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mistwell on May 18, 2020, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130436
Since Mercer's book isn't for Forgotten Realms, can people use his subclasses in Adventurer's League games?

AKA, is his book approved for all AL play? If so, then its definitely official material. If not, then its a stand-alone supplement/setting book.

I have no idea if it is AL legal (I think they use the "one extra book" rule though?) but AL isn't the definition of official and hasn't been for a long time. In fact, does AL even exist at the moment?

Most gamers I know these days use "Is it accessible on D&D Beyond and not UA or playtest" as "official" these days.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Slambo on May 18, 2020, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130436

AKA, is his book approved for all AL play? If so, then its definitely official material. If not, then its a stand-alone supplement/setting book.


Iirc no its considered "setting specific" subclasses so they arent allowed in AL.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: VisionStorm on May 19, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;1130492
I have no idea if it is AL legal (I think they use the "one extra book" rule though?) but AL isn't the definition of official


And neither is a random YouTuber publishing his own campaign sourcebook, which have never been considered official D&D system rules at any point in the game's history, even when they're official campaign settings published and developed by TSR or WotC. But since you appear to be setting the terms of the ever moving goalposts, I guess you can also set the terms for what qualifies as "official" too.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 21, 2020, 05:21:02 PM
Quote from: Slambo;1130529
Iirc no its considered "setting specific" subclasses so they arent allowed in AL.

Really? So stuff from any of the non-FR settings cant be used? I'll have to dig out my last copy of AL.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 21, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm;1130538
And neither is a random YouTuber publishing his own campaign sourcebook,

He isnt publishing it. WOTC is. Same as they did with Acquisitions Incorporated.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Slambo on May 21, 2020, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: Omega;1130836
Really? So stuff from any of the non-FR settings cant be used? I'll have to dig out my last copy of AL.

Keep in mind i dont play adventurers leauge i heard from a friend who wanted to play a subclass from the book.

EDIT: Decided to look it up, neither it nor the planeshift/Eberron stuff is AL legal. Eberron apparently has its own AL campaign where Eberron races and the artificer are allowed though.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Omega on May 23, 2020, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Slambo;1130841
Keep in mind i dont play adventurers leauge i heard from a friend who wanted to play a subclass from the book.

EDIT: Decided to look it up, neither it nor the planeshift/Eberron stuff is AL legal. Eberron apparently has its own AL campaign where Eberron races and the artificer are allowed though.

Wait? So AL does not allow the Artificer despite the book mentioning using the artificer in other settings?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on May 23, 2020, 05:50:37 PM
Quote from: Omega;1131009
Wait? So AL does not allow the Artificer despite the book mentioning using the artificer in other settings?

Outside of the Eberron AL, no.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: kidkaos2 on August 10, 2020, 04:10:25 AM
Quote from: Shasarak;1128644
The way I see it is you have an Alignment axis.  On one hand you have the LG people who are both Good and Consistant with what they believe and on the other hand you have the CG people who are both Good and Inconsistant with what they believe depending on the situation.

It is no point a Lawful person asking a Chaotic person to be consistant because they would not even understand what you are talking about.


I think it is debatable whether the people in this situation are good at all.  An inconsistently good person might protect one woman but not protect another woman.  These folks aren't doing that.  They are using violence against women as a weapon against their political enemies.  It merely has a side effect of possibly protecting a woman, but that's only incidental to what they're doing.  When they circle the wagons and protect their own as they have with the accusations against Biden and as they did in the 90s with the accusations against Clinton, they are actively protecting abusers.  That's not merely being inconsistently good, it's being evil.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Shasarak on August 10, 2020, 04:40:34 AM
Quote from: kidkaos2;1144039
I think it is debatable whether the people in this situation are good at all.  An inconsistently good person might protect one woman but not protect another woman.  These folks aren't doing that.  They are using violence against women as a weapon against their political enemies.  It merely has a side effect of possibly protecting a woman, but that's only incidental to what they're doing.  When they circle the wagons and protect their own as they have with the accusations against Biden and as they did in the 90s with the accusations against Clinton, they are actively protecting abusers.  That's not merely being inconsistently good, it's being evil.

We are still talking about Matt Mercer, right?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: VisionStorm on August 10, 2020, 08:45:50 AM
Quote from: Shasarak;1144040
We are still talking about Matt Mercer, right?


I think they're saying Matt Mercer is Chaotic Evil. ;)
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: LiferGamer on August 10, 2020, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: VisionStorm;1144059
I think they're saying Matt Mercer is Chaotic Evil. ;)


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Hmmmmmm......

(From the Mythica (https://www.amazon.com/Mythica-Quest-Heroes-Robert-Jayne/dp/B00ZN31MK6) movies.  First movie has a better-than-average getting the party together schtick.)
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Cola on August 10, 2020, 08:16:41 PM
The logical inconsistency is baffling.

It's amazing how quickly threads get locked and banning is threatened on some sites when you merely point it out!

So in the spirit of putting money into things that make sense, I just bought a nice hardcover lion and dragon.  Conversely, the leftward WOTC is getting nothing from me anymore until I see how they go back and revise lore to placate the twitter mob.

There was a discussion on another site where a few of us dared to question whether orcs are actually racist...the mob can only shriek at higher frequency about how it feels!  It must be true!. This and the Mercer pronouncement are clear: feelings and impressions are valid...so long as they line up with the narrative
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Shasarak on August 10, 2020, 08:28:30 PM
Quote from: Warpiglet;1144240
There was a discussion on another site where a few of us dared to question whether orcs are actually racist...the mob can only shriek at higher frequency about how it feels!  It must be true!. This and the Mercer pronouncement are clear: feelings and impressions are valid...so long as they line up with the narrative

You can actually see people claiming that they have proved conclusively that Orcs are Racist and point you to huge threads where, somewhere within they assure you, the proof lies.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Cola on August 10, 2020, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1144242
You can actually see people claiming that they have proved conclusively that Orcs are Racist and point you to huge threads where, somewhere within they assure you, the proof lies.


Omg!  I know!  So I posted a few interesting bits about how RPGs are related to improved social development and LESS racism.  Not tons of data, but data.

You can imagine the reaction.  More shrill religion of the chorus.

"You mean you can't change this one little bit when it hurts people?!"  

And that is the rub.  I don't think it hurts anyone to have evil goblins, orcs or whatever.  Just like this believe all women stuff...it's a mantra, a faith---not subject to any validation or analysis.  And if you try to actually verify or look more closely you show without a shadow of a doubt that you are a racist, misogynist or whatever.  By merely questioning
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: SHARK on August 10, 2020, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1144242
You can actually see people claiming that they have proved conclusively that Orcs are Racist and point you to huge threads where, somewhere within they assure you, the proof lies.

Greetings!

*Laughing* So true, Shasarak!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Mr_X on August 10, 2020, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: Warpiglet;1144246
And if you try to actually verify or look more closely you show without a shadow of a doubt that you are a racist, misogynist or whatever.  By merely questioning


Textbook kafkatrapping. The article that coined the term is a good read.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Spinachcat on August 11, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
Did WotC cancel their new adventure where orcs smash up a cobbler's shop and steal the shoe boxes full of bread?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on August 11, 2020, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: Warpiglet;1144240


So in the spirit of putting money into things that make sense, I just bought a nice hardcover lion and dragon.  


Thank you! I hope you enjoy it.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Cola on August 11, 2020, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1144421
Thank you! I hope you enjoy it.


Absolutely.  I am looking forward to it.  I am planning to drop a lot of the church and class things into my D&D game.

I think playing a more historical game would be nice to try as well if I can get my buddies to try it!
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Sadras on August 12, 2020, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: Warpiglet;1144240
The logical inconsistency is baffling.

It's amazing how quickly threads get locked and banning is threatened on some sites when you merely point it out!

...(snip)...
 
There was a discussion on another site where a few of us dared to question whether orcs are actually racist...the mob can only shriek at higher frequency about how it feels!  It must be true!.

Lawful stupid runs rampant on sites like those.

EDIT: Apparently advocating for real life mental illnesses to be included in the game is acceptable, but making a suggestion in jest that if one desires such realism then perhaps one could adopt the 1e mechanic where men are stronger than women, that sends progressives into rage, frothing at the mouth, screaming sexism and a threadban.
I imagine the site of a 1e PHB would Turn or (if fortunate) Destroy Progressive.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: kidkaos2 on August 12, 2020, 06:12:51 AM
Quote from: Shasarak;1144040
We are still talking about Matt Mercer, right?

Yes.  I'm putting forth the idea that #believeallwomen SJW's aren't merely hypocritical, they are actively bad/evil.  I think it's worse than just being inconsistent.  What we're talking about here is violent crime.  This isn't like complaining about the Koch brothers but giving Soros a pass or complaining about capitalism while using your iphone and wearing your Nikes.  That is garden variety hypocrisy that both sides engage in.  But the things the left has been doing in the past few months are a much worse situation where they will excuse or defend violent criminals whether they are Democrat politicians accused of sexual assault or rioters assaulting people and destroying property or censoring Covid information that disagrees with the accepted experts.  This is a case of peoples' partisan actions causing violence, robbery, and death.  I realize it sounds hyperbolic, but it's actually true.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 12, 2020, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: Sadras;1144484
Lawful stupid runs rampant on sites like those.

EDIT: Apparently advocating for real life mental illnesses to be included in the game is acceptable, but making a suggestion in jest that if one desires such realism then perhaps one could adopt the 1e mechanic where men are stronger than women, that sends progressives into rage, frothing at the mouth, screaming sexism and a threadban.
I imagine the site of a 1e PHB would Turn or (if fortunate) Destroy Progressive.

Yeah, you can't have it both ways. If you want your stupid eighty genders and mental illnesses as part of the game for 'realism', I'm going to enforce strength caps.

Part of me can't help but wonder if there's some projection here on the SJWs' part, where they look at the behavior of orcs and are perhaps uncomfortably reminded of certain events plaguing Chicago?

But hey, that's none of MY business.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Hakdov on August 12, 2020, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: Sadras;1144484
Lawful stupid runs rampant on sites like those.

EDIT: Apparently advocating for real life mental illnesses to be included in the game is acceptable, but making a suggestion in jest that if one desires such realism then perhaps one could adopt the 1e mechanic where men are stronger than women, that sends progressives into rage, frothing at the mouth, screaming sexism and a threadban.
I imagine the site of a 1e PHB would Turn or (if fortunate) Destroy Progressive.


I got blocked by multiple people on twitter for saying that I agree with the 1e stat modifiers by sex.  Of course I now see the error in my ways.  I now think they don't go nearly far enough.  The female maximum for strength should be applied equally to both sexes for nonhuman races.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: RPGPundit on August 12, 2020, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: kidkaos2;1144486
Yes.  I'm putting forth the idea that #believeallwomen SJW's aren't merely hypocritical, they are actively bad/evil.  I think it's worse than just being inconsistent.  What we're talking about here is violent crime.  This isn't like complaining about the Koch brothers but giving Soros a pass or complaining about capitalism while using your iphone and wearing your Nikes.  That is garden variety hypocrisy that both sides engage in.  But the things the left has been doing in the past few months are a much worse situation where they will excuse or defend violent criminals whether they are Democrat politicians accused of sexual assault or rioters assaulting people and destroying property or censoring Covid information that disagrees with the accepted experts.  This is a case of peoples' partisan actions causing violence, robbery, and death.  I realize it sounds hyperbolic, but it's actually true.

This is right on the verge of being off-topic political. Don't go on outside of the topic of gaming, please.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Jaeger on August 12, 2020, 06:23:30 PM
Quote from: Warpiglet;1144425
Absolutely.  I am looking forward to it.  I am planning to drop a lot of the church and class things into my D&D game.

I think playing a more historical game would be nice to try as well if I can get my buddies to try it!

You don't need to go full medieval authentic to add some serious flavor to your game. Just having a monotheistic church is a huge break from most campaigns.

Many underestimate just how much just adding a few 'authentic' elements to their game will change things for the GM and players. Especially when incorporated into a D&D campaign.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Cola on August 12, 2020, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: Jaeger;1144595
You don't need to go full medieval authentic to add some serious flavor to your game. Just having a monotheistic church is a huge break from most campaigns.

Many underestimate just how much just adding a few 'authentic' elements to their game will change things for the GM and players. Especially when incorporated into a D&D campaign.


I am right with you on this.   I do have a monolithic church.  They have recast other religions as backwards and no one from An old faith would hold office or authority.

I realized later that the unquenchable brazier faith even has division across nations.  I wanted some strife between/within and later realized it was sort of a Byzantine/Rome split.  Not intentional...and there is more serious hostility.  Who knows?  Maybe an intra faith war?

But agree with your points.  I think Lion and Dragon will give it (the faith) some Real teeth in the world.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on August 12, 2020, 07:29:03 PM
Quote from: Warpiglet;1144602
I am right with you on this.   I do have a monolithic church.  They have recast other religions as backwards and no one from An old faith would hold office or authority.

I realized later that the unquenchable brazier faith even has division across nations.  I wanted some strife between/within and later realized it was sort of a Byzantine/Rome split.  Not intentional...and there is more serious hostility.  Who knows?  Maybe an intra faith war?

But agree with your points.  I think Lion and Dragon will give it (the faith) some Real teeth in the world.

Would a monolithic church of a united (tight) pantheon work out about the same? This would be where priests serve the pantheon, not the individual dieties.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Cola on August 12, 2020, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1144604
Would a monolithic church of a united (tight) pantheon work out about the same? This would be where priests serve the pantheon, not the individual dieties.

In a way. The way I have it is that various deities were recast as saints of the church but only have power because of 'God' and are shown to be subservient.  Clerics of the deities may not like that but those who did not convert are seen as primitive and unenlightened.

So they still get spells etc., but their institutions have no temporal power.  The true faith is professed by rulers and nobles.  

That is why when I learned more about Lion and Dragon I thought it would make this dominance and monolithic power have some teeth.  I want the players to know challenging it's powers a real decision point in the game with potentially fatal conflict following.

I also want to make nobility a thing.  As in, joe peasant does not mock or defy a noble openly
Without real danger...
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Jaeger on August 12, 2020, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1144604
Would a monolithic church of a united (tight) pantheon work out about the same? This would be where priests serve the pantheon, not the individual dieties.

IMHO no. It's just not the same thing at all.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on August 12, 2020, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: Jaeger;1144609
IMHO no. It's just not the same thing at all.

It would still be one faith, even if that faith is in a set of beings rather than one. What's the part of that furthest from being the same thing?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: LiferGamer on August 12, 2020, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1144613
It would still be one faith, even if that faith is in a set of beings rather than one. What's the part of that furthest from being the same thing?

I sort of do that in my current Folia campaign; I'm using the dragon Gods from the all Dragon campaign setting the name of which escapes me... and I've opted to have it more like the Greek Orthodox Church; no real Pope lots of theoretically equivalent Bishops each representing one member of the pantheon... there are shared resources, certain branches are made up of worshipers of different gawds, like the Inquisition which has some lawful neutral by comparison decent Folk and some that are shall we say not nice people?
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: S'mon on August 13, 2020, 06:43:02 AM
Quote from: Jaeger;1144609
IMHO no. It's just not the same thing at all.

GRR Martin tried to have his cake and eat it with the Faith of the Seven in GoT/ASoIAF. I think it wasn't very plausible, at least the later TV show episodes where they got very expressly Catholic-y.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2020, 08:37:04 AM
Wait, doesn't Eberron have something like this? I need to recheck.
Title: When Will Matt Mercer/Critical Role Tell Us To #BelieveAllWomen Again?
Post by: HappyDaze on August 13, 2020, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1144676
Wait, doesn't Eberron have something like this? I need to recheck.

It starts there but then gets more complicated. Eberron has one major faith based on a pantheon that gets divided into a good/civilized and an evil/uncivilized set. It also has two significant lesser faiths, one based on an impersonal divine force that traps evil things and another based on an emerging divine force within each living being. Beyond those, there are a handful of racial and regional faiths plus some splinter cults.

The key thing in Eberron is that none of the deities directly speak/interact with mortals, not even through magical/divine social media. They don't have material forms and they don't list their extraplanar addresses anywhere, so there's no proof that they exist at all. Divine-sourced powers are still used by mortals, but there's still a lot of mystery as to how & why certain mortals get those powers.