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When a game company treats its customers badly.

Started by Darrin Kelley, January 10, 2017, 06:43:50 PM

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Omega

#240
March 20, 2017, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;952891The setting is interesting (though parts of it aren't totally internally consistent) - but the system was a hot mess.  Probably why they wanted to come out with 2e.

I had a glance at it when it first came out and was unimpressed. The organization and explanation of the rules felt oddly disjointed in places. The setting though was more interesting than Delta Green, which I still dont like.

Kyle Aaron

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March 20, 2017, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Willie the Duck;952873Yes, agreed. If one were building a judicial system from the ground up, the punitive reward system to discourage companies from neglecting the safety of their customers (or society at large) should probably not be tied to civil cases. Changing that (in the U.S., where the case we are discussing took place) would require significant rebuilding of the legal system, and is unlikely to happen.
Not necessarily. If they are legal persons, well legal persons can be imprisoned or executed. Company put under administration or broken up and sold off.

A few years back here in Victoria we came close to getting a corporate manslaughter bill passed, so that directors, supervisors etc would be held criminally responsible for deaths of employees and others. They managed to weasel out of it though.
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March 21, 2017, 12:40:53 AM
Quote from: Simlasa;952847Not that any of it ranks next to the extreme pain and suffering DK has endured over that unpublished C-Tech book.

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March 21, 2017, 04:07:31 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;952991A few years back here in Victoria we came close to getting a corporate manslaughter bill passed, so that directors, supervisors etc would be held criminally responsible for deaths of employees and others. They managed to weasel out of it though.

Too bad you didn't make it:)!
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Omega

#244
March 21, 2017, 07:18:17 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;952991Not necessarily. If they are legal persons, well legal persons can be imprisoned or executed. Company put under administration or broken up and sold off.

A few years back here in Victoria we came close to getting a corporate manslaughter bill passed, so that directors, supervisors etc would be held criminally responsible for deaths of employees and others. They managed to weasel out of it though.

Id love to see ASE and the teamsters union taken down for what they did to us back in the 90s.

Willie the Duck

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March 21, 2017, 07:52:53 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;952991Not necessarily. If they are legal persons, well legal persons can be imprisoned or executed. Company put under administration or broken up and sold off.

A few years back here in Victoria we came close to getting a corporate manslaughter bill passed, so that directors, supervisors etc would be held criminally responsible for deaths of employees and others. They managed to weasel out of it though.

I'm not suggesting otherwise (or at least I hope I wasn't). However, until that bill passes, I'd hope that jury-awarded punitive damages stay on the books where they are, even if it is an odd (and often ineffective) way to disincentivize corporate malfeasance. My point is sometimes you work with the legal framework you have, hiccups and all, because the perfect one is not going to happen.

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March 21, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;952991Not necessarily. If they are legal persons, well legal persons can be imprisoned or executed. Company put under administration or broken up and sold off.

A few years back here in Victoria we came close to getting a corporate manslaughter bill passed, so that directors, supervisors etc would be held criminally responsible for deaths of employees and others. They managed to weasel out of it though.

That would be moronic.

As horrible as it sounds - at a certain point companies HAVE to do cost benefit analysis as it pertains to potential injuries.

Example: Cars could be built like tanks so that virtually no one gets hurt in car accidents, and doing so would prevent tens of thousands of deaths per year.  But if they did, they'd get about 3 miles per gallon, and they'd be so expensive that virtually no one could afford them.

That is NOT to say that McD wasn't wrong in this case (though the $3m initial cost was ridiculous) but there are times when similar logic is a necessity.

There is no way that a jury who are angry about a death should be able to throw an exec in prison for making such a judgment call.
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