Quote from: Michael Gray;943490I'm actually pretty happy with Shadow of the Demon Lord for my weird, dark fantasy kick. WHFRP4E would have to be pretty a pretty exceptional game to get me to look at it. I don't need setting material because...oh my glorb look at all the setting material out there on the Intarwebs.

I've read SotDL, loved it, and I believe using the WFRP setting with SotDL system absolutely works, but it'll play like SotDL and nothing like WFRP.

Typical WFRP PC: Soldier > Veteran > Judicial Champion > Assassin > Witch Hunter.

Typical SotDL PC: Warrior > Fighter > Death Dealer.

WFRP feels more picaresque and lived-in than SotDL (and I love it for this). The career system reinforces this.

Quote from: The Butcher;943527I've read SotDL, loved it, and I believe using the WFRP setting with SotDL system absolutely works, but it'll play like SotDL and nothing like WFRP.

Typical WFRP PC: Soldier > Veteran > Judicial Champion > Assassin > Witch Hunter.

Typical SotDL PC: Warrior > Fighter > Death Dealer.

WFRP feels more picaresque and lived-in than SotDL (and I love it for this). The career system reinforces this.

Enh, I don't play Warhammer for the system, I do it for the setting.

Quote from: CRKrueger;943458Age of Sigmar Fluff...you guys forgot the part where after The Old World exploded, Sigmar was kicking back on the metal core of the planet, made of...
wait for it...
Sigmarite.

Age of Sigmar isn't Game Workship fucking WFB fans.  
It's not even Games Workshop ass-fucking fans.
It's Games Workshop Prison Raping fans then giving them a simultaneous Cleveland Steamer/Golden Shower.

It was done with the specific need to able to copyright every last fucking syllable of the setting and wargame. The fluff reflects it.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;943526Yeah I...I don't believe that.  I mean I'm not calling you a liar but I think they've got one hand extended and yet another dagger in the other.  Or, in the words of the immortal James T. Kirk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjKVGB6JEfs

Well,its not like your suspicion isn't warranted. But things have been good lately. I mean, they haven't ditched AoS and brought back the Old World yet, and honestly I still prefer the old miniature designs of the 80s/early 90s to today's over-designed stuff, but in general GW just keeps doing things that pleasantly surprise me these days.

Quote from: CRKrueger;943458Age of Sigmar Fluff...you guys forgot the part where after The Old World exploded, Sigmar was kicking back on the metal core of the planet, made of...
wait for it...
Sigmarite.

Age of Sigmar isn't Game Workship fucking WFB fans.  
It's not even Games Workshop ass-fucking fans.
It's Games Workshop Prison Raping fans then giving them a simultaneous Cleveland Steamer/Golden Shower.

The sad thing is, I think the game itself is rather good. In many ways the best iteration of warhammer fantasy since 3rd edition. I appreciate the giant "fuck you" to tournament players, who have always been a cancer on the warhammer hobby, in favour of narrative play.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;943530It was done with the specific need to able to copyright every last fucking syllable of the setting and wargame. The fluff reflects it.

Yeah Orks are Orruks, Ogres are Ogors, Trolls are Troggoths, etc...

Still, they COULD have come up with a backstory that didn't seem like one of their 9-year old kids wrote it.  They just purposely decided to say "fuck you" to the fans while doing it.

Do an Age of Sigmar RPG that is just completely over-the-top Masters-of-the-Universe-with-a-Queen-soundtrack lunacy. Demigods in KISS makeup fight psychedelic battles in Jim Starlin acid-trip cosmic warpspace.

But also make all the classic 1st & 2nd edition stuff available via PoD.

Everybody's happy. Or at least as happy as anybody can be in the dystopian fuckscape of 2017 AD.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;943534Well,its not like your suspicion isn't warranted. But things have been good lately. I mean, they haven't ditched AoS and brought back the Old World yet, and honestly I still prefer the old miniature designs of the 80s/early 90s to today's over-designed stuff, but in general GW just keeps doing things that pleasantly surprise me these days.

Well, when they bring back metal and stop charging $25/miniature and stop with their abusive retail and online practices let me know...

Quote from: CRKrueger;943547Yeah Orks are Orruks, Ogres are Ogors, Trolls are Troggoths, etc...

Still, they COULD have come up with a backstory that didn't seem like one of their 9-year old kids wrote it.  They just purposely decided to say "fuck you" to the fans while doing it.

Hahaha lord are you kidding me?  They're actually converting from standard fantasy monster tropes by scrambling names?  That's like something you'd find on a kid's placemat at Denny's!

Quote from: thedungeondelver;943560Well, when they bring back metal and stop charging $25/miniature and stop with their abusive retail and online practices let me know...

The price of miniatures isn't likely to change, even Mantic's prices are going up, and GW's prices are on the higher end but actually pretty standard overall. However the new "get started" boxed sets are unprecedented deals, with sometimes as much as 50% off. As for bringing back metals, actually they've been sort of doing just that, with their "print on demand" series bringing back classic models. What are the "abusive retail and online practices" you mean, though?

Quote from: Michael Gray;943529Enh, I don't play Warhammer for the system, I do it for the setting.

More power to you, but setting and system feed back on each other.

Actually, I suspect SotDL might be a superior fit if you're into the Old World as presented in WFB. But for those of us who get a kick out of playing barber-surgeons, charcoal burners and rat catchers, it might not cut it. (Sure, there's the zero level thing, but much like DCC's funnel, to me it feels like paying lip service to the idea of starting off as an ordinary person.)

Quote from: thedungeondelver;943561Hahaha lord are you kidding me?  They're actually converting from standard fantasy monster tropes by scrambling names?  That's like something you'd find on a kid's placemat at Denny's!

Remember when GW tried to claim the term "Space Marine" and the whole world laughed at them?  Well, then the Imperial Guard became Astra Militarum, etc.  It at least made sense considering most of the Imperial organizations had Latin-like names.

This is just the company handing down orders to redo everything with trademarkable names, and the writers just not giving a shit.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;943561Hahaha lord are you kidding me?  They're actually converting from standard fantasy monster tropes by scrambling names?  That's like something you'd find on a kid's placemat at Denny's!

Wait till you hear about the, ekhm, Aelf. Or the Sigmarines.

Quote from: CRKrueger;943577Remember when GW tried to claim the term "Space Marine" and the whole world laughed at them?  Well, then the Imperial Guard became Astra Militarum, etc.  It at least made sense considering most of the Imperial organizations had Latin-like names.

This is just the company handing down orders to redo everything with trademarkable names, and the writers just not giving a shit.

Precisely. And they are also turning the handle on the 40k as well.

Quote from: One Horse Town;943328All i can say is thank God!

Amen.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;943563The price of miniatures isn't likely to change, even Mantic's prices are going up, and GW's prices are on the higher end but actually pretty standard overall. However the new "get started" boxed sets are unprecedented deals, with sometimes as much as 50% off. As for bringing back metals, actually they've been sort of doing just that, with their "print on demand" series bringing back classic models. What are the "abusive retail and online practices" you mean, though?

They ran a truck through every online retailer in NA - and it was even worse for independents in Australia.  Basically, at least in the US, they told everyone "You must have a brick and mortar store or you cannot sell GW products, period."

Now, you might say "Well, it's their business and they can deal with outlets however they want," but I would point out another market leader who led an entire industry in the 1980s who cut the throat of their retail businesses and it led to their collapse: Commodore International.  The PET series, the Vic-20, the C64 and (initially) the Amiga took the world by storm.  Sure, people give Apple credit - because Apple's still around.  But the C64 outsold its competitors, the Amiga actually frightened Apple (a computer with true multi-media capability a decade before anyone knew what that was, with color and better sound etc. etc.)

But C= shat on their distribution chain.  It was to the point where I was on the verge of buying a tricked-out Amiga2000 via mail-order and the vendor I called based on his ad told me "I can mail you a quote, but I can't tell you on the phone and I can't print it in magazine ads or Commodore will shut us down."

GW's shenanigans have that same stink to them.

Now, as for metal print-on-demand: tell me more.  There's some metal LotR I'd like to have.