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ronwisegamgee:
Greetings, folks.

I just started working on an Old-School Gaming supplement for the Quick & Dirty RPG System and I was wondering what OSR games are out there that don't use a variation of pre-3rd edition D&D as its foundational system?

While the sacred cows of D&D have been a bedrock of most OSR games that I've come across (classes, six ability scores, hit points, levels, saving throws, armor as damage avoidance, etc.), I believe that those components themselves are not absolutely necessary, as is demonstrated by DM Scotty's TTRPG, EZD6.

What I think is vital to OSR gaming are the following:
- A group of adventurers exploring dungeons, where they fight monsters, avoid traps, solve puzzles, find gold and loot, and become more powerful (or dead) in the process.
- Having a setting to explore in the pursuit of one's goals, rather than following a plot laid out by the DM.
- Life is cheap and combat is war, not sport.
- The greater your deeds, the greater your renown, and the more territory you have influence or control over as you get more powerful.
- Magic is costly and is not taken for granted when used (especially at lower levels).
- Complete recovery from injury takes a while (not with one night's rest) and the opportunities to recover are not easily accessible nor guaranteed when you're adventuring.
- Probably more stuff that I haven't thought of yet but still doesn't require a D&D-esque system in the slightest.

Pat:
I think you have a very weird definition of OSR. You're being extremely specific and restrictive, while at the same time rejecting one of the more fundamental aspects of the OSR. Don't think you can really have both.

But you could always take a look at ZEFRS. It's a clone of the old Conan RPG from TSR, using a variation of the universal table that showed up in MSH instead of being based on D&D. There are also a handful of clones of The Fantasy Trip, though they've become less relevant since it's back in print. You could also look up the various Traveller-inspired fantasy variants, like Wanderer or Mercator. Otherwise, it sounds like you want something like Dungeon World, which is more OS-inspired than OSR proper.

ronwisegamgee:

--- Quote from: Pat on June 21, 2022, 07:16:30 PM ---I think you have a very weird definition of OSR. You're being extremely specific and restrictive, while at the same time rejecting one of the more fundamental aspects of the OSR. Don't think you can really have both.

But you could always take a look at ZEFRS. It's a clone of the old Conan RPG from TSR, using a variation of the universal table that showed up in MSH instead of being based on D&D. There are also a handful of clones of The Fantasy Trip, though they've become less relevant since it's back in print. You could also look up the various Traveller-inspired fantasy variants, like Wanderer or Mercator. Otherwise, it sounds like you want something like Dungeon World, which is more OS-inspired than OSR proper.

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As I mentioned in the last bullet-point, there was probably more stuff that I haven't thought of from what I previously mentioned that seemed OSR to me.  I get the impression that I conflated OSR with the more general notion of old-school gaming, hence my separating it from the original system that served as its soil.

Thank you for pointing out ZEFRS, the Fantasy Trip clones, and the Traveller-inspired fantasy variants like Wanderer of  Mercator.  I wasn't aware that those existed.  As for Dungeon World, I own a copy and have gotten a lot of value from it (from a game design perspective and for actual use).  Now that you mention it, I'll have to check how Dungeon World differs from other OSR, OSR-adjacent, and NuOSR products in more than just game mechanics.

BoxCrayonTales:
There are OSR games based on other inspirations, like Mythras and Cryptworld, but it’s mostly D&D-based fantasy for some reason. It’s probably a matter of time before we see others pop up as the woke take over the various rpg companies. I know UndeadMonk is making a vampire game that, at least from the limited info shared so far, is shaping up to be a retroclone of WW’s vampire games.

Shawn Driscoll:

--- Quote from: Pat on June 21, 2022, 07:16:30 PM ---I think you have a very weird definition of OSR. You're being extremely specific and restrictive, while at the same time rejecting one of the more fundamental aspects of the OSR. Don't think you can really have both.

But you could always take a look at ZEFRS. It's a clone of the old Conan RPG from TSR, using a variation of the universal table that showed up in MSH instead of being based on D&D. There are also a handful of clones of The Fantasy Trip, though they've become less relevant since it's back in print. You could also look up the various Traveller-inspired fantasy variants, like Wanderer or Mercator. Otherwise, it sounds like you want something like Dungeon World, which is more OS-inspired than OSR proper.

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Pat doesn't know what OSR is. Because Pat.

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