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What is the epitome, of an RPG?

Started by Man at Arms, March 19, 2024, 12:01:13 AM

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RNGm

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 19, 2024, 12:36:42 PM
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Quote from: RNGm on March 19, 2024, 12:05:28 PM
False.  Black bear. 

edit:  Oh, sorry.  I thought you were asking which bear is best.

Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galatica (1978)

"Bears do not... What's going on? What are you doing?"    ;D

Love that scene from the office.

Same and I'm glad others got the joke.  It's my default answer to almost all overly broad or vague questions whose answers are entirely subjective.   The only exception is when asked about what is best in life which has one definitively correct answer.  :)


tenbones

I want to roleplay with Dwight, Andy from Parks and Rec, Kramer from Seinfeld, and Charlie from It's Always Sunny, using CharDeeMacDennis rules 2.0.

That's the epitome of RPG - both meta and LARP.

1stLevelWizard

In all the time I've been playing RPGs (about half my life) I found that the one I always keep playing is D&D. I've played every edition, and I found that 1e AD&D is my favorite. I've found that it just encapsulates the quintessential RPG experience in one ruleset. Is it perfect? No. Is it a compleat experience? I think so.

I mean the best way I can put it is: when I think of what an RPG is, how it plays, and what it looks like: I think of AD&D. I guess it'll sound a bit pompous to say, but I think AD&D (and D&D in general) is the closest we've come to a Platonic form for the RPG.
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GhostNinja

Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on March 22, 2024, 11:49:12 AM
In all the time I've been playing RPGs (about half my life) I found that the one I always keep playing is D&D. I've played every edition, and I found that 1e AD&D is my favorite. I've found that it just encapsulates the quintessential RPG experience in one ruleset. Is it perfect? No. Is it a complete experience? I think so.

Funny, I have played 1st edition and I disliked it due to how poorly it is organized.  I am playing in a 2e game and I prefer it much better.  Think its better overall.

But YMMV
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1stLevelWizard

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 22, 2024, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: 1stLevelWizard on March 22, 2024, 11:49:12 AM
In all the time I've been playing RPGs (about half my life) I found that the one I always keep playing is D&D. I've played every edition, and I found that 1e AD&D is my favorite. I've found that it just encapsulates the quintessential RPG experience in one ruleset. Is it perfect? No. Is it a complete experience? I think so.

Funny, I have played 1st edition and I disliked it due to how poorly it is organized.  I am playing in a 2e game and I prefer it much better.  Think its better overall.

But YMMV

2nd edition is good too, I mean hell I'll play anything prior to 4th. That is one thing I will admit, it is all over the place. I love the way Gygax wrote it, but it's definitely not as clear as it could be. I guess to clarify, it's the rules themselves that I find to be the epitome, not necessarily the way they're presented.
"I live for my dreams and a pocketful of gold"

Slipshot762

#21
I just use the D6 system (the 3 books, adventure, space, fantasy) for pretty much everything, and just tailor the rules a bit to steer it toward the settings tropes as needed. Our first attempts at playing dragonlance with d6 required much stealing of dnd's dna to make the players comfy on the rails they were used to (classes levels spell levels etc), but its never 3-5 adventures deep before they start whining as they did in 2e ad&d about why cant my dwarf be a platemail wearing wizard, where are my options, and you have to point out that all of that was possible from the start and it was you, the player, who insisted on the rails of class level and racial restrictions, and you could have made a dwarf necromancer from the very beginning using only the d6 rules w/o a single stitch of me flavoring it or shaping it beforehand.

While I've put a great deal of research into arthurian, medieval, dark ages as a setting, and have stolen much from birthright but scaled it down to be more like the stronghold video games, and thus have a penis-throbbing need to play arthurian or post-arthurian (the grail was never found! its a crusade! kill the saxon!)...I am actually sorely tempted to make the next run ALSO dragonlance with no rails this time, but in one of the periods these DL fans despise, chaos war or war of souls or after Takhisis is finally dead and Paladine has become a  mortal elf...there is plenty of cool stuff to explore in the setting (even alternate timelines) and the only thing standing in the way of that are these dragonlance fans themselves. Moreover, d6 is better imho for dragonlance than ad&d anyway, just does it all out of the box for the most part as fast as you care to use it.

So in summation, the quintessential rpg is one where the players are demanding snotty dragonlance fans and you torture them by playing the versions of dragonlance they dont like...or failing that just an arthurian or post-arthurian setting with quick easy rules like d6 system.

I really just posted because i wanted to pee all over dragonlance fans, because they are the worst players to play with on Krynn. I do not hate the setting really, what I hate is that players act like you are not supposed to engage with it or do anything with any of it except let it sit like a backdrop painting on a theatre stage...which is a waste.

While its far from my favorite setting i'm fine with engaging it fully, balls deep, alternate timelines, chaos war, age of mortals, what the hell ever, lets just play, lets make it ours, we have no one to please or impress can you not let go of this even though now, in our late 40's, when we can clearly see that these novels were young adult tier at best and the setting and the use we can get out of it is what really matters? Fuck raistlin, fuck canon, and fuck you hoss, i came to see minotaurs punch-o-size goblin faces and to use the assorted d6 star wars starfighter dogfighting rules for dragon rider aerial battles....why are you like this?

DocJones

Quote from: tenbones on March 22, 2024, 11:27:15 AM
I want to roleplay with Dwight, Andy from Parks and Rec, Kramer from Seinfeld, and Charlie from It's Always Sunny, using CharDeeMacDennis rules 2.0.

That's the epitome of RPG - both meta and LARP.
I want to play the Charmed RPG with Holly, Rose and Shannen.  Not Alyssa.

Man at Arms

I think it's cool, that people are mentioning d6 games.

Insane Nerd Ramblings

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 19, 2024, 02:19:06 AMWEG's D6 Star Wars.

Yea, if I could only pick 1, it would be West End Games D6 Star Wars. I put a lot of mileage on my books playing Gamblers, Failed Jedi and whatnot. Lots of fun. Lots of great memories with friends.

Having said that, I've also had lots of fun playing Palladium's Robotech and Rifts, even if the former is as piss poor a representation of the Tv series as you can get, and the latter as incomprehensibly bad once CJ Carella got ahold of it and started the asinine power inflation.

Played a bit of Mechwarrior and Battletech and watched a lot of tournaments of the latter where groups of idiots got absolutely trashed because they fought piecemeal.

I also had fun playing classic Deadlands: The Weird West with a group (no shit) known as The Dynamite Gang (for their penchant for blowing things up with dynamite) on the old Pinnacle Mailing List. Sadly, their rules for Magic back in the day were a little TOO rough (I played an Alchemist and couldn't do jack squat).

Played a bunch of White Wolf Storyteller games (mostly Vampire and Werewolf), though I had the most fun playing a Mage in a World of Darkness crossover game.

Played a little Star Frontiers and Top Secret back in the early days (my second and third RPG experiences). Some fun memories, especially Lady in Distress and discovering the wonderfully horrific way in which a 12-gauge shotgun can work wonders against bad guys.

Of course, I've played Dungeons & Dragons the longest, with every version except 0E and 4E, starting with a B/X Fighter playing through B2: Keep on the Borderlands. AD&D 1E is my absolute favorite version, though I can accept later revisions did good things (ascending armor class, simplified skill system, etc). I've also played and run Castles & Crusades.
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Teodrik

#26
"Conan what is the epitome, of an RPG? "

Crush your enemies while playing games and drinking with the lads

See the orcs be exterminated (and their cubs) before you

And hear the lamentation of the DM when you free the sexy village wahmen and take them as your wives

That is the answear to the riddle of the epitome rpg experience .

So sayeth CROM and thou shalt find no fault in this truth. And if you do to Hell with you I say.  :o  ;D

Eirikrautha

Quote from: Teodrik on March 23, 2024, 01:34:00 PM
"Conan what is the epitome, of an RPG? "

Crush your enemies while playing games and drinking with the lads

See the orcs be exterminated (and their cubs) before you

And hear the lamentation of the DM when you free the sexy village wahmen and take them as your wives

That is the answear to the riddle of the epitome rpg experience .

So sayeth CROM and thou shalt find no fault in this truth. And if you do to Hell with you I say.  :o  ;D

This forum needs a "like" button...


Omega

BX D&D.

Easy to get into and it teaches the DM to personalize their worlds and think about the environment and personalities of the creatures encountered.