Would really rather not have this turn into anti-Facebook ranting, but it is gaming related.
 

Has TBP thought over run RPG Facebook groups? I'm a mild facebook user, primarily got interested when I discovered the facebook groups aspect which now compete heavily against more traditional forums. Only been active 2-3 years, and in that time I have joined probably 40 groups and only been denied a membership request once, and I believe that was more of an invite only group that the FB bots suggested to me.


The one exception being RPG groups. Other than a Traveller RPG group, every RPG group I have applied for has denied my membership requests. Not sure how much group admin can see of a "pledges" profile, but I don't have anything that I would imagine would set off any alarms. No political affiliations, I tend to shy away from political commentary, mostly hobby groups, 3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old truck sites, I follow some company pages along similar lines to my groups. Only gun related page I follow is Forgotten Weapons which is very much history oriented, not gun rights.

The Traveller group was the first RPG group I had applied to. I initially didn't have an interest in RPG groups, but even though I don't really play much Traveller these days I find a lot of the posts fun, and it encouraged me to look into more. (Thanks to Jeff for mentioning this one).


Not really sure what to think that the other 6 or 7 have denied my requests. Most were fairly large groups (most had 1000+ members and fairly active posting), so they don't strike me as exclusive.

Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?  


I expected RPG groups to be like the Traveller group, just people having fun and posting game oriented stuff. As it is the only one that has admitted me, I'm starting to think maybe most are more like the dot net place and the fester in the evils of traditional gaming. In that case good riddance. Just found it odd.

Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228Would really rather not have this turn into anti-Facebook ranting, but it is gaming related.
 

Has TBP thought over run RPG Facebook groups? I'm a mild facebook user, primarily got interested when I discovered the facebook groups aspect which now compete heavily against more traditional forums. Only been active 2-3 years, and in that time I have joined probably 40 groups and only been denied a membership request once, and I believe that was more of an invite only group that the FB bots suggested to me.


The one exception being RPG groups. Other than a Traveller RPG group, every RPG group I have applied for has denied my membership requests. Not sure how much group admin can see of a "pledges" profile, but I don't have anything that I would imagine would set off any alarms. No political affiliations, I tend to shy away from political commentary, mostly hobby groups, 3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old truck sites, I follow some company pages along similar lines to my groups. Only gun related page I follow is Forgotten Weapons which is very much history oriented, not gun rights.

The Traveller group was the first RPG group I had applied to. I initially didn't have an interest in RPG groups, but even though I don't really play much Traveller these days I find a lot of the posts fun, and it encouraged me to look into more. (Thanks to Jeff for mentioning this one).


Not really sure what to think that the other 6 or 7 have denied my requests. Most were fairly large groups (most had 1000+ members and fairly active posting), so they don't strike me as exclusive.

Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?  


I expected RPG groups to be like the Traveller group, just people having fun and posting game oriented stuff. As it is the only one that has admitted me, I'm starting to think maybe most are more like the dot net place and the fester in the evils of traditional gaming. In that case good riddance. Just found it odd.

I find FB in general, to be a place that I don't care for.

Before I put my 0.02cr in, in the spirit of full disclosure I would like people to know that I am one of the admins of the FB Traveller Group.

Toadmaster, thank you for the kind words.

Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228Has TBP thought over run RPG Facebook groups?

I would have to say, yes. I've had to jettison most of my FB fantasy RPG groups because I got doxxed over being anti-antifa's violence. There are a lot of the same people in genre related groups and when I got doxxed in one, I found the doxxing spreading throughout the rest of them. I reported it to FB and bailed.

Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228The one exception being RPG groups. Other than a Traveller RPG group, every RPG group I have applied for has denied my membership requests. Not sure how much group admin can see of a "pledges" profile, but I don't have anything that I would imagine would set off any alarms. No political affiliations, I tend to shy away from political commentary, mostly hobby groups, 3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old truck sites, I follow some company pages along similar lines to my groups. Only gun related page I follow is Forgotten Weapons which is very much history oriented, not gun rights.

The Traveller group was the first RPG group I had applied to. I initially didn't have an interest in RPG groups, but even though I don't really play much Traveller these days I find a lot of the posts fun, and it encouraged me to look into more. (Thanks to Jeff for mentioning this one).


Not really sure what to think that the other 6 or 7 have denied my requests. Most were fairly large groups (most had 1000+ members and fairly active posting), so they don't strike me as exclusive.

Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?  


I expected RPG groups to be like the Traveller group, just people having fun and posting game oriented stuff. As it is the only one that has admitted me, I'm starting to think maybe most are more like the dot net place and the fester in the evils of traditional gaming. In that case good riddance. Just found it odd.

A couple of things here. Yes, admins can see up to your entire profile depending on what your security settings are. I do look at profiles before accepting them because for a while we were getting a whole bunch of Travel Agencies and Travel Agents signing up who were offering Thailand sex vacations and we just flat out aren't that kind of a group.

I try to admin in the spirit of Pundit's Free Speech style, but we also have a "No Asshole" rule, a "No Real World Politics" rule, and we expect people to behave in an adult manner. The range of people in that group covers a lot of nationalities, sexes, sexual orientations, political stances, and religions. All we ask is that you be a fan of Traveller and post Traveller related content (and Cepheus Engine is considered Traveller there).

I'd have to take a look at your profile in order to see if there is anything that may stand out as triggersome to the social justice crowd. I'm willing to do that if you want, just private message me.

Now, Traveller is considered a "conservative" RPG (whatever the fuck that means) by social justice types ( mainly because the default playstyle is the Free Trader campaign I guess).

I'm in several RPG groups on FB and haven't noticed any political swing in one direction or another... political talk is generally forbidden anyway.
Of the three groups I've got approval rights on I generally accept everyone as long as they don't look like spammers, or are confusing us with video games.
How long has it been since you clicked on Join?

I'm not on Facebook, but when you request to join, are you able to include a message?  It's possible that they get a bunch of bot requests, and if you don't look like a 'real person' they auto-deny.

Quote from: Razor 007;1099237I find FB in general, to be a place that I don't care for.

I get that, I'm not its biggest fan and it has many downsides to forum formats such as this one. However in many areas of my interest, the traditional forum is all but dead. For example on a vintage Dodge 4x4 truck forum, you are lucky if there is a post a week, and there is little response to new posts. Several years ago it was a fairly busy place, but it has essentially become an archive of old posts. By comparison the 2 similar themed FB groups I belong to generally have several posts a day, and you can expect a response to most questions within 24 hours, and often within just a few minutes. Same thing with a welding forum, the traditional forum and FB group are linked. The forum gets 2 or 3 posts a day, the FB group easily 10-20, with a much higher level of response to questions.


RPG forums do not seem to have been hit as hard as some others, which is why I have only recently started to look. Even using this place which is fairly lively as an example how many Traveller posts do you typically see? Not many, where the FB group might get 3 or 4 new topics in a day plus associated responses.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1099245I'm not on Facebook, but when you request to join, are you able to include a message?  It's possible that they get a bunch of bot requests, and if you don't look like a 'real person' they auto-deny.

I'm an admin for my local X-Wing Miniatures Facebook group, and I've declined a couple of requests because #1. They didn't include a short message to say hello (I'm not a bot!) and #2. They didn't seem to have any Star Wars/Gaming/Sci-Fi... anything on their page. Just stuff that looked like stock photos.

I'm on a couple FB RPG related groups. I'm hardly politically correct, and it wouldn't take much of a glance at my own page to see it...and no trouble at all.

Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?

Just update your Hatebook profile photo to one that has you with pink hair and wearing nail polish (see toxic femininity). You're in like Flint then.

Or... Make YouTube videos. Players with similar RPG gaming will then come find you. No searching you need to do anymore.

Everyone (except me) needs to be on Facebook as much as possible. My clients need the data mining and Zuckerberg loves us all equally.

I'm confused how Traveller is a "conservative" game. If you want to be Space Antifart, you can do that in Traveller. If you want to be Space Comrades defending sectors of "true, and thus perfect" communism against the Evil White Male Capitalist Imperium, you can do that in Traveller.  

But I can see "3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old trucks" triggering the safe space crowd with cries of Toxic Masculinity!

I don't know that this has anything to do with gamer politics, but it seems odd that with one exception all of my RPG group requests have been denied. That is why I'm asking, it seems very weird.

Quote from: jeff37923;1099240Toadmaster, thank you for the kind words.




I'd have to take a look at your profile in order to see if there is anything that may stand out as triggersome to the social justice crowd. I'm willing to do that if you want, just private message me.

Now, Traveller is considered a "conservative" RPG (whatever the fuck that means) by social justice types ( mainly because the default playstyle is the Free Trader campaign I guess).

No problem, I'm glad you made a post sometime back and mentioned the group. I hadn't even thought of looking for RPG groups on FB. Not a lot of earth shattering rules discussions, but I like a lot of the stuff people find that tie in with the games setting from random stuff from the news to cool art.  

Thank you for the offer, I'll PM after posting. I don't expect you'll find much, but would be curious.

I wouldn't lay the blame on Traveller, but yeah, you pretty much hit my thoughts, particularly being my only RPG group (since the others don't like me). It does make me wonder if I had some Vampire or Apocalypse World stuff linked to my page if I would be having this kind of luck. Then again, not interested in those games so... A couple asked for a list of games I play, a pretty standard grognard list follows, so in those cases if I play the wrong games then Traveller is in good company letting them know.

Quote from: Simlasa;1099242I'm in several RPG groups on FB and haven't noticed any political swing in one direction or another... political talk is generally forbidden anyway.
Of the three groups I've got approval rights on I generally accept everyone as long as they don't look like spammers, or are confusing us with video games.
How long has it been since you clicked on Join?

Oh, it has been quite a while now, maybe a year, possibly as much as 18 months. No way to check my history on that that I can find.

I have had one or two groups where you click join and your request sits forever, probably the group had died and no mods monitor it anymore to approve or decline. In the case of the RPG sites they were clear declines, FB notified me that my request was denied and it no longer shows on my pending list. The first one I reapplied thinking maybe there was a glitch, nope a second decline followed quickly.

I always answer the questions with full sentences and put an appropriate amount of thought into them, so no way they think I'm a bot. I've also had one or two group admins message me for more info on why I want to join (mostly those of a professional nature). Again not the case with the RPG groups, no contact, not even a No Soup for you! just a decline.
 

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1099245I'm not on Facebook, but when you request to join, are you able to include a message?  It's possible that they get a bunch of bot requests, and if you don't look like a 'real person' they auto-deny.

Not sure how much of my profile they can see. I don't have an exciting page, just enough details so that a past co-worker or long lost friend might find me if they looked. If it was a bot page it is a bot that someone put some time into. If I was a PC then the player filled out a 3x5 card of my back story.

Most groups will have 1-5 questions that must be answered or they auto decline. Usually one or two throw away yes / no questions (do you agree to follow the rules?, do you agree not to be a dick?) and then 1-3 that take a little more effort (why do you want to join this group, have you played an RPG, what games do you play etc (examples for RPGs, obviously a truck group might ask what kind of truck you have, a welding group your level of experience etc). I always answer the questions with an appropriate level of detail, so again, they know they are not rejecting a bot.
 

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1099247I'm an admin for my local X-Wing Miniatures Facebook group, and I've declined a couple of requests because #1. They didn't include a short message to say hello (I'm not a bot!) and #2. They didn't seem to have any Star Wars/Gaming/Sci-Fi... anything on their page. Just stuff that looked like stock photos.

For the first, I always answer the questions listed, and all have had a list of questions. For #2, it can be a bit tricky getting some related content, when those groups that would show the interest won't accept you because you don't belong to any related groups...

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1099250Just update your Hatebook profile photo to one that has you with pink hair and wearing nail polish. You're in like Flint then.

I don't have any photos attached to my account. It is a very dull account with basic personal details, schools attended, work history etc, just enough to link me to my past if somebody I used to know and lost contact with wanted to find me. I only got a FB account so I can see FB pages for companies and such. I've got maybe 2 dozen FB "friends" probably 1/2 people I know in real life, and 1/2 those from groups I'm in who friended me after some interaction in the group.

Just need to spruce up your FB page a bit to make it looked lived-in with D&D boob armor pics, it sounds like. Or create a new FB account just for RPGing around with. I don't use FB all that much. Too many Democrats.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1099252Everyone (except me) needs to be on Facebook as much as possible. My clients need the data mining and Zuckerberg loves us all equally.

I'm confused how Traveller is a "conservative" game. If you want to be Space Antifart, you can do that in Traveller. If you want to be Space Comrades defending sectors of "true, and thus perfect" communism against the Evil White Male Capitalist Imperium, you can do that in Traveller.  

But I can see "3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old trucks" triggering the safe space crowd with cries of Toxic Masculinity!

Glad I help you keep food on the table.

Traveller has a similar reputation to the OSR. A game for old, insensitive white dudes. You should know it doesn't have to be true. Stereotypes are only bad when they apply to you, not people you don't like.

Yeah, I admit it I'm a bit of a manly man and I'm married to (just one) woman, who began life as a female. I know I'm evil incarnate.  

In my favor, I think I might have liked Bernie's FB page, so I can keep up with his cool rants against the establishment. That should be worth something, oh right voting for old white guy who wants equality for all, is sexist I was supposed to vote for Grandma Nixon because "boobies".

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1099257Just need to spruce up your FB page a bit to make it looked lived-in with D&D boob armor pics, it sounds like. Or create a new FB account just for RPGing around with. I don't use FB all that much. Too many Democrats.

Cool thanks for the tip, no boob armor pics, but maybe I can scan some Cthenticle cards into my profile.


For some reason I don't think you are offering serious help...

Quote from: Toadmaster;1099261For some reason I don't think you are offering serious help...

Everyone is allowed to find out what FB is really like on their own. Chin up, and all that. If you're a Democrat, you'll fit in seamlessly.

But it is kind of odd that you are asking people how to make your social networking work. Like it's something an IT guy can fix for you, after Googling it.