Quote from: Omega on July 17, 2022, 03:50:32 PMD&D is full of these.

Asshole player sabatours? Berserk is a narrative, this sort of thing doesn't work in a cooperative style GAME.
Even if you do it, it won't have any of the shock or the suprise of a narrative, because being pre-scripted is generally a sign of shitty GM-ing.
Put down the dice and just throw some writing ideas around, or maybe watch some episodes of the anime. They will do it far better then you can.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on July 17, 2022, 09:56:05 PM

Quote from: Omega on July 17, 2022, 03:50:32 PMD&D is full of these.

Asshole player sabatours? Berserk is a narrative, this sort of thing doesn't work in a cooperative style GAME.
Even if you do it, it won't have any of the shock or the suprise of a narrative, because being pre-scripted is generally a sign of shitty GM-ing.
Put down the dice and just throw some writing ideas around, or maybe watch some episodes of the anime. They will do it far better then you can.

NPCs pulling betrayals? Players pulling betrayals? These were old when D&D was new.

D&D's Red Steel setting is full of this as people, and players can get desperate for cynaberyl to have power and stave off turning into monsters from using said powers. PCs who are using the stuff may be sorely tempted to get more at any cost.

None of this needs to be scripted. You just set down the widget and play it from there.

Quote from: Omega on July 18, 2022, 02:10:31 AMNPCs pulling betrayals? Players pulling betrayals? These were old when D&D was new.

Where did I saw player sabatours was a new thing? It is absolutely pre-scripted because it depends on the PCs playing along, because 'This is the Berserk Campaign and one of us has to be the Griffith I guess'. Its not a shock or a suprise. And the use of fate in a D&D campaign is much less clever then in a narrative because that happens all the time, except its called shitty fatalism or railroading.

And I know Muira did a takebacksies, but the idea of evil is a absolutely utterly dogshit villian. So shit it should have never touched paper. If Muira revealed it was a dog at the control of some advanced machine, it would have been more understandable then the absolute edglord wankatron that it was. At the very least he was somewhat ashamed at the utterly retarded idea. But as shit as it is, if you ran a Berserk campaign, then the idea of evil would be you, the GM.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on July 18, 2022, 06:22:29 AM

Quote from: Omega on July 18, 2022, 02:10:31 AMNPCs pulling betrayals? Players pulling betrayals? These were old when D&D was new.

Where did I saw player sabatours was a new thing? It is absolutely pre-scripted because it depends on the PCs playing along, because 'This is the Berserk Campaign and one of us has to be the Griffith I guess'. Its not a shock or a suprise. And the use of fate in a D&D campaign is much less clever then in a narrative because that happens all the time, except its called shitty fatalism or railroading.

And I know Muira did a takebacksies, but the idea of evil is a absolutely utterly dogshit villian. So shit it should have never touched paper. If Muira revealed it was a dog at the control of some advanced machine, it would have been more understandable then the absolute edglord wankatron that it was. At the very least he was somewhat ashamed at the utterly retarded idea. But as shit as it is, if you ran a Berserk campaign, then the idea of evil would be you, the GM.

i don't see how 'the collective idea of evil itself given form' is a bad villain but go off

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 18, 2022, 07:37:42 AMi don't see how 'the collective idea of evil itself given form' is a bad villain but go off

Because its a reality with literal thoughtcrime. Don't think certain thoughts or you will be punished with rape horses.
And its exclusively the idea of evil. Where is the idea of collective justice? Or the idea of collective reward? Or the idea of collective boredom? Or the idea of the collective love of corn?
Nowhere.
If I where to roll with it, I would just make it some demonic liar, who enthralls morons with sadistic 'holier then thou' tendencies, with the promise of inflicting awful tortures on people because 'they want it'.

Edit: Any by itself, its a boring and completly flat villian, propped up by some thimble deep philosophy. Its not really any different then just some evil demon who likes kicking puppies cause its fun.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on July 18, 2022, 09:44:08 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 18, 2022, 07:37:42 AMi don't see how 'the collective idea of evil itself given form' is a bad villain but go off

Because its a reality with literal thoughtcrime. Don't think certain thoughts or you will be punished with rape horses.

Enormously based and redpilled, Kentaro is truly the best mangaka (rip)

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 18, 2022, 11:24:57 AMEnormously based and redpilled, Kentaro is truly the best mangaka (rip)

...Not really gonna engage with the conversation, and just resort to wasting my time?
Well fuck you too then.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on July 18, 2022, 12:02:11 PM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 18, 2022, 11:24:57 AMEnormously based and redpilled, Kentaro is truly the best mangaka (rip)

...Not really gonna engage with the conversation, and just resort to wasting my time?
Well fuck you too then.

I was making a joke. I suggest you lay off the salt.