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Author Topic: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?  (Read 5072 times)

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #90 on: June 20, 2022, 06:18:49 PM »
If a game went out of its way to bill itself as "non-woke"?  I wouldn't even bother picking it up from the shelf, because I'd presume the game designers went out of their way to be offensive.

Offensive because real world politics and ideology weren't deliberately inserted into the game to push an agenda?  Right...
I didn't say it was offensive. I'm saying if someone goes out of their way to point out something is "non-woke" odds are good they're trying to make a point, and likely trying to be offensive. Which I don't care for.   Odds are high enough that it's not worth my time to check it out.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #91 on: June 20, 2022, 06:30:43 PM »
  Non woke does not mean attempting to be offensive....it simply means you are not planning on aggressive signaling and preaching...which is what woke is.  Woke is not "doing the right thing" it is screeching about people "doing the wrong thing".
I know what it means. I know it doesn't mean "attempting to be offensive". But if someone is going out of their way to point it out? *shrug*  Odds are (spectacularly) good they're using the "non-woke" label to justify being offensive, not signaling neutrality. Why would they have bothered otherwise?

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #92 on: June 20, 2022, 06:34:41 PM »
  Non woke does not mean attempting to be offensive....it simply means you are not planning on aggressive signaling and preaching...which is what woke is.  Woke is not "doing the right thing" it is screeching about people "doing the wrong thing".
I know what it means. I know it doesn't mean "attempting to be offensive". But if someone is going out of their way to point it out? *shrug*  Odds are (spectacularly) good they're using the "non-woke" label to justify being offensive, not signaling neutrality. Why would they have bothered otherwise?

Non-woke just means non-shit.
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #93 on: June 20, 2022, 10:18:39 PM »
You can usually tell by the cover art or the author.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #94 on: June 21, 2022, 02:08:53 AM »
I don't want MY own politics inserted in a RPG.

I don't need my ideology represented in a RPG...EXCEPT by the virtue that my own RPG would have zero woketard bullshit.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2022, 02:10:29 PM »
It would be just as stupid, hamfisted and dumb as all the games that bill themselves as "Woke". If you make your games good enough and fun enough, you can subtly put in your world view without it bothering anyone for years....Decades even as long as it's fun.

Whitewolf was always the Progressive game company, and lots of conservatives still loved their games. Hell they even had conservative employees back in the day who were line developers (though Libertarian is probably more accurate for Bill Bridges)

They lost the plot in later years, especially in the 2nd edition era of Chronicles of Darkness. I couldn't even get past the introduction to Geist 2e because it kept going on about how "This is a game about speaking truth to power, about fighting against injustice, ect ect" when I was like.. "Fuck I just wanted a game about Ghosts man.."

Also thanks to certain people like Mathew McFarland turning into an extreme wokist to cover up his horrendous behavior, and this began to reflect in his product like... "Beast" which was a complete mess...

Mostly though, you can put your politics in your game if your smart and your game is fun, and if they're not to extreme on one end or the other. But any game that came out the gate with, "WE'RE THE NONWOKE ROCKSTARS!" I'd be highly suspect and think most likely it would suck.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2022, 12:57:15 AM »
Speaking of woke in games how's call of cthulhu doing? I mean the version set in the 20's-30's, when racism, sexism, anti semitism, anti catholicism,  anti Mormonism, anti homosexualism and, let's fucking face it, anti everyone who wasn't a straight  WASP male was rampant and legal in america.

I'm trying to imagine how the woke collective would react to a game that was set in that era and was even vaguely faithful to the setting unless at least  40% of the text was endless condemnations of the time the game was set in.
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2022, 08:02:43 AM »
Speaking of woke in games how's call of cthulhu doing? I mean the version set in the 20's-30's, when racism, sexism, anti semitism, anti catholicism,  anti Mormonism, anti homosexualism and, let's fucking face it, anti everyone who wasn't a straight  WASP male was rampant and legal in america.

I'm trying to imagine how the woke collective would react to a game that was set in that era and was even vaguely faithful to the setting unless at least  40% of the text was endless condemnations of the time the game was set in.
They've been trying, with limited success, to wokeify it.

The problem is that (a) classic CoC is a period piece and there's only so much you can deviate from the historical setting before it starts sliding into alt-universe territory. Yes, PCs can be unusual specimens or representatives, but you can't escape the zeitgeist. And (b), much of the opposition in CoC doesn't give a shit what your race is (outside of Deep Ones, who just want to fuck human girls and spawn hybrids) or your pronouns. They're just going to kill you or drive you mad.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2022, 09:57:37 AM »

Pretty sure my last two DTRPG releases were both labeled as "non-woke"... and look what happened.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2022, 09:59:36 AM »
I guess Dwarrowdeep is also an interesting case study, looking at that thread. They even reference the potential relevance to this one there.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #100 on: June 23, 2022, 11:21:17 AM »
Speaking of woke in games how's call of cthulhu doing? I mean the version set in the 20's-30's, when racism, sexism, anti semitism, anti catholicism,  anti Mormonism, anti homosexualism and, let's fucking face it, anti everyone who wasn't a straight  WASP male was rampant and legal in america.

I'm trying to imagine how the woke collective would react to a game that was set in that era and was even vaguely faithful to the setting unless at least  40% of the text was endless condemnations of the time the game was set in.
They've been trying, with limited success, to wokeify it.

The problem is that (a) classic CoC is a period piece and there's only so much you can deviate from the historical setting before it starts sliding into alt-universe territory. Yes, PCs can be unusual specimens or representatives, but you can't escape the zeitgeist. And (b), much of the opposition in CoC doesn't give a shit what your race is (outside of Deep Ones, who just want to fuck human girls and spawn hybrids) or your pronouns. They're just going to kill you or drive you mad.

Thank you for the answer .

I read a review of CoC 7e and man, sounds like chaosium assraped the pooch on the game system. I was always a fan of BRP, loved it.

The review if 7e said nothing about woke but the system made me honestly say aloud ''what the FUUUCK? ' when I read about it.

Yeesh, why do companies have a good system that works fine then feel a need to fuck it up just to 'change' it?  Is Tzeentch at work here?
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #101 on: June 23, 2022, 12:18:47 PM »
Speaking of woke in games how's call of cthulhu doing? I mean the version set in the 20's-30's, when racism, sexism, anti semitism, anti catholicism,  anti Mormonism, anti homosexualism and, let's fucking face it, anti everyone who wasn't a straight  WASP male was rampant and legal in america.

I'm trying to imagine how the woke collective would react to a game that was set in that era and was even vaguely faithful to the setting unless at least  40% of the text was endless condemnations of the time the game was set in.
They've been trying, with limited success, to wokeify it.

The problem is that (a) classic CoC is a period piece and there's only so much you can deviate from the historical setting before it starts sliding into alt-universe territory. Yes, PCs can be unusual specimens or representatives, but you can't escape the zeitgeist. And (b), much of the opposition in CoC doesn't give a shit what your race is (outside of Deep Ones, who just want to fuck human girls and spawn hybrids) or your pronouns. They're just going to kill you or drive you mad.

Thank you for the answer .

I read a review of CoC 7e and man, sounds like chaosium assraped the pooch on the game system. I was always a fan of BRP, loved it.

The review if 7e said nothing about woke but the system made me honestly say aloud ''what the FUUUCK? ' when I read about it.

Yeesh, why do companies have a good system that works fine then feel a need to fuck it up just to 'change' it?  Is Tzeentch at work here?
You could write a damned doctoral thesis on 'why do people mess with a good thing?'.


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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #102 on: June 23, 2022, 12:29:40 PM »

Pretty sure my last two DTRPG releases were both labeled as "non-woke"... and look what happened.

To be honest, they're more like anti-woke.  When you make fun of the thin-skins, they go REEEEE at warp speed.
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #103 on: June 23, 2022, 12:33:04 PM »
Speaking of woke in games how's call of cthulhu doing? I mean the version set in the 20's-30's, when racism, sexism, anti semitism, anti catholicism,  anti Mormonism, anti homosexualism and, let's fucking face it, anti everyone who wasn't a straight  WASP male was rampant and legal in america.

I'm trying to imagine how the woke collective would react to a game that was set in that era and was even vaguely faithful to the setting unless at least  40% of the text was endless condemnations of the time the game was set in.
They've been trying, with limited success, to wokeify it.

The problem is that (a) classic CoC is a period piece and there's only so much you can deviate from the historical setting before it starts sliding into alt-universe territory. Yes, PCs can be unusual specimens or representatives, but you can't escape the zeitgeist. And (b), much of the opposition in CoC doesn't give a shit what your race is (outside of Deep Ones, who just want to fuck human girls and spawn hybrids) or your pronouns. They're just going to kill you or drive you mad.

Thank you for the answer .

I read a review of CoC 7e and man, sounds like chaosium assraped the pooch on the game system. I was always a fan of BRP, loved it.

The review if 7e said nothing about woke but the system made me honestly say aloud ''what the FUUUCK? ' when I read about it.

Yeesh, why do companies have a good system that works fine then feel a need to fuck it up just to 'change' it?  Is Tzeentch at work here?
You could write a damned doctoral thesis on 'why do people mess with a good thing?'.

  they like to call it "progress" and the people who engage in it all the time like to call themselves "progressives", and as such "progress" can never, ever stop.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #104 on: June 23, 2022, 01:00:01 PM »

Pretty sure my last two DTRPG releases were both labeled as "non-woke"... and look what happened.

Well, to get honest when you take a name like yours you are basically sticking your chin out and pointing to it.

I mean there's a difference between being honest and expressing a view some people disagree with and deliberately provoking hostility.

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