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Author Topic: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?  (Read 5070 times)

Svenhelgrim

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2022, 06:12:26 AM »
Sounds like a gimmick.  I would rather buy a game because of it’s good rules, and setting. By billing it as non-(insert political agenda) means it is just another propaganda piece only aimed in a different direction.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #76 on: June 16, 2022, 11:32:38 AM »
Indeed, I want to play a game that is not part of 'The Game.'  :-)

Would I look at a non-Woke game?  Sure, just as I look at many woke titles.  But it is the merits of the game that earn my money.
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #77 on: June 16, 2022, 03:54:08 PM »
  I think we got the answer to this with Dwarrowdeep and it's creator saying he was not interested in having any politics in his games.  A few people canceled, and support poured in, despite him getting poo poo'd by the usual suspects.   The fact he has a nice catalogue of what seem to be excellent products mattered first, but because he did have that, his stance did not cost him anything, and appears to have increased his reach and appeal. 

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2022, 04:09:49 PM »
  I think we got the answer to this with Dwarrowdeep and it's creator saying he was not interested in having any politics in his games.  A few people canceled, and support poured in, despite him getting poo poo'd by the usual suspects.   The fact he has a nice catalogue of what seem to be excellent products mattered first, but because he did have that, his stance did not cost him anything, and appears to have increased his reach and appeal.

Yes. What I learned there was:

Make cool stuff
Tell the screaming children to be quiet
Profit

Zelen

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2022, 09:42:48 PM »
  I think we got the answer to this with Dwarrowdeep and it's creator saying he was not interested in having any politics in his games.  A few people canceled, and support poured in, despite him getting poo poo'd by the usual suspects.   The fact he has a nice catalogue of what seem to be excellent products mattered first, but because he did have that, his stance did not cost him anything, and appears to have increased his reach and appeal.

Yup. This strategy will work well for people with a good record. Got my attention in a positive way.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2022, 07:53:07 PM »
Sounds like a "normal" game then at the store.  The more adjectives and things you say are NOT there the less there actually is.


Don't put a Sensativity Disclaimer at the front of the product. You've just made it "Non-Woke" right there.
Not necessarily.  I collect classic cartoons, and the DVDs usually have these disclaimer on their products.  Some even have woke racists like Whoopi Goldberg reciting the disclaimer before you can get to the menu.  I don't think WB's DVD sales were hurt by this.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2022, 07:13:04 PM »
If a game went out of its way to bill itself as "non-woke"?  I wouldn't even bother picking it up from the shelf, because I'd presume the game designers went out of their way to be offensive.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2022, 09:27:43 PM »
If a game went out of its way to bill itself as "non-woke"?  I wouldn't even bother picking it up from the shelf, because I'd presume the game designers went out of their way to be offensive.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2022, 08:52:29 AM »
You don’t even need to market your stuff as non-woke directly. Just make some comments about not letting politics get in the way of game design and the Woke will take care of your anti-Woke billing for you free of charge.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2022, 09:33:12 AM »
If a game went out of its way to bill itself as "non-woke"?  I wouldn't even bother picking it up from the shelf, because I'd presume the game designers went out of their way to be offensive.

  The term is taken to be neutral, and you are right there are a bunch of people who feel neutrality is very offensive.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2022, 09:34:32 AM »
  Non woke does not mean attempting to be offensive....it simply means you are not planning on aggressive signaling and preaching...which is what woke is.  Woke is not "doing the right thing" it is screeching about people "doing the wrong thing".

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2022, 09:53:51 AM »
If a game went out of its way to bill itself as "non-woke"?  I wouldn't even bother picking it up from the shelf, because I'd presume the game designers went out of their way to be offensive.
That's funny, especially from someone with "SS" in their board name.  What is it you admire about the Schutzstaffel, Rick SS?  (Welcome to the world of the woke... where everything goes under the microscope and is viewed in the most harmful way possible...)

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2022, 12:05:07 PM »
OK picture if you wil,l a RPG comes out and the ads for it say clearly it is "non woke"? The writers declare it non woke. They say they avoided the woke agenda when they wrote it.


I've always said that when making a product you want other people to buy, it never helps you to deliberately alienate or anger part of your potential customer base. It's just shooting yourself in the foot from a business standpoint.

Make the non-woke product you want to make, and let it sell itself without the extra fanfare. The customers and the market will make the final judgment on it. You might even score one on those woke snowflakes when they buy the product and then decide they hate it because it isn't woke enough. Why forewarn them and take away any chance of a righteous karma-smite?

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2022, 01:29:56 PM »
If a game went out of its way to bill itself as "non-woke"?  I wouldn't even bother picking it up from the shelf, because I'd presume the game designers went out of their way to be offensive.

Offensive because real world politics and ideology weren't deliberately inserted into the game to push an agenda?  Right...

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2022, 04:42:32 PM »
OK picture if you wil,l a RPG comes out and the ads for it say clearly it is "non woke"? The writers declare it non woke. They say they avoided the woke agenda when they wrote it.


I've always said that when making a product you want other people to buy, it never helps you to deliberately alienate or anger part of your potential customer base. It's just shooting yourself in the foot from a business standpoint.

There are numerous Woke extremist-targeting products that have succeeded precisely because they are polarizing and deliberately antagonize normal people. Not saying this works in every circumstance, but it will work if people are passionate enough about something.