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Author Topic: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?  (Read 5067 times)

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2022, 04:29:54 AM »
Also, would a non-woke game require different stats for women vs men?   Biology is fact, and average men are bigger than average women.

Depends on if it bills itself as 'realistic'. Back in the 90s and 00s when realism was an important conceit for a lot of games that were being published, and designers weren't deliberately changing their games to appease social justice whiners, alternate stats for women weren't included. AD&D 1e had it, and Planescape had it for Bariaur, but other than that I can't think of any games that did that.

Also, an unusually strong woman that someone wants to play as a fantasy could be like Caster Semenya. I know I certainly wouldn't want to play a game that requires all PCs to be within 2 standard deviations from the mean.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2022, 10:52:30 AM »
Can we get Jeremy Boreing to do the ads?

Fucking yes please.  Refreshing truth: "Why give your money to people who hate you?  Give it to me instead."
 

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2022, 12:49:01 PM »
You would be the opposite of all the decay into meaninglessness.

1. Ability scores would Try to be a metric that compares to real-life human ability (Very hard to do, seriously, I.q. is a real pain in the ass to validly quantify, as is wisdom, and charisma...) You would recognize disability as "Criplling", and could use words like "Blind, Deaf, Weak, mute" to describe limiting conditions on characters. You would point out how NO ONE should want to play a disabled victim...
people should always try to discover the heroic and good within them, players should always want to better themselves through effort.

2. you would recognize men and women as being equal, but DIFFERENT. You would recognize only TWO genders. You would acknowledge the reality of chromosomes, genetics, chemistry, and biology, such as Avogadro's number and the Mole, i.e. people claiming to be any other gender are schizoid and anti-reality. You would see them as disgusting sexual deviants looking to create more converts (i.e. abducting and Molesting children) by worming their way into preschool kids, kindergarten, schools period, libraries, games, comics, children's hobbies, etc.

3. You would recognize "Ancestries" as being different and some would not be as strong, intelligent, wise, understanding, sociable, caring, good, healthy, etc as others are... hell, some ancestries could be recognized for an evil heritage/culture. such as slavers, cannibals, necrophilics, bestiality, incestuous, Sexist (include violence/murder of women), pederasts, kangaroo courts, false witch hunters, legitimately Orwellian, real dystopia, etc.

4. You would recognize biblical moral GOOD, and its opposition... EVIL in all of its disguises: ranging from slightly ruining innocence to the worst profane deeds.

5. You would ban people who post sexual content, especially freakish insanity/deviant sex (funtari, anthro, vore, etc.)

the woke say, "Don't Be T.R.A.A.S.H. - Transphobic, Racist, Ableist, Abusive, Sexist, Homophobic"...
and you'd recognize this for what it is; at best "Delusional" insanity. (and protecting DISGUSTING, VILE, SEXUAL PERVERSIONS through double speak, false appeals to virtue, and outright tyranny)

1. You call me names, let's see if you like it...
Day is not night. What is wrong with you? are you a clock'phobe!?! clockist!

2. There are only 2 genders: male, female.
men are not, and cannot be women.
Women are not, and can not be Men.
Reality is absolute, consistent, and measurable from atoms on out to the universe at large. Your problem isn't me. its you.
Get real.

3. Racism? you play an RPG... with diverse ANCESTRIES that have different ability score bonuses, movement rates, cultures, crafts, legal systems, religious morals, artwork, diet, environment, and languages.
so what is your problem, again?
oh, white people.

3. Ableist? DaFuq! what about ability scores isn't? What is your movement rate without paved surfaces? you got a problem with truth, then you don't have a problem with me... take it up with reality, god, the universe. let us see if reality cares about your feelings. let's see you take that wheelchair through a mangrove jungle, deer trails, and dry creek beds.

4.Abusive? you call me abusive? I tell the truth and your feelings hurt because you got caught being a sick pervert... is that what you mean? there are only two genders. women and men are DIFFERENT. Men can not, do not, and never have; periods, become pregnant. Getting pregnant is not an accident. Life begins at conception with a rapidly dividing clump of cells. abortion is not merely the disposal of a new life, it is the cheapening of all life. Too bad. "Hey judge, I didn't murder that girl. I just got rid of a clump of cells"...

5. Sexist? I have served decades in the military alongside women who could out push, lift, and fight better than I. if you think I am sexist, you are a Morron. Guess what? I still open the door for my wife. Chivalry is not chauvinism, Chivalry is not sexism. Chivalry is respect. if you don't want to be respected as a woman, so be it! Expect all men to not provide for you, to not pay for dates, to not buy gifts, to not do favors, to not do anything for you. Don't be mad, just go away an unloved spinster.

6. Homophobic? no. I am not "Phobic". What I am is deeply concerned by LGBT's constant and consistent need to molest children, why are they in the preschools, kindergarden, the schools, The game stores, invading the hobbies, invading theme parks? why? Through the actions of LGBT anyone can see the truth. LGBT is P, as in PEDOPHILES.

7. You don't have a problem with me. You have a problem with being caught. You have a problem with BEING a STEREOTYPE. I don't care what you pretend to be, I'm not your problem. YOUR PROBLEM IS REALITY.
So, go f*** yourself.

This is "Anti-woke".

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2022, 01:00:47 PM »
to wit, "anti-woke" is the acknowledgment of EVERYONE's personal responsibility, Merit, achievement, morality, and adherence to the absolutes of objective reality.

Subjective delusions, deviant sexual fantasies, and committing crimes, are all BAD! WRONG! EVIL! SICK! PERVERTED! DISGUSTING!

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2022, 01:36:36 PM »
Can we get Jeremy Boreing to do the ads?

Fucking yes please.  Refreshing truth: "Why give your money to people who hate you?  Give it to me instead."
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2022, 09:25:21 AM »
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You would be the opposite of all the decay into meaninglessness.

I mean I could accept it, but then you follow with chaotic logorrhea which mixes some normal conservative stuff with rambling about Avogadro number.
For sake of glorious conservative cause I'm sincerely ask you to stop rambling.
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2022, 12:37:54 PM »
You make a RPG thats fucking bad ass.

That's it, and if some emotionally retarded people are offended or unhappy, then fek 'em!
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2022, 02:23:20 PM »
Also, would a non-woke game require different stats for women vs men?   Biology is fact, and average men are bigger than average women.

I don't equate woke with character design in RPGs unless they are the usual woke outcries.

No sane human would deny the science, but wouldn't it be a bit silly to go into that level minutia? Also, pcs are supposed to be rather exceptional compared to the rest of the dreggs. And there are plenty of exceptional female athletes in full contact Martial Arts for real examples.

On the other hand, if you play a cripple then you're a cripple and you will be held back by your biology. So no running up the dungeon stairs for you unless you have a magical wheelchair of course.



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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2022, 06:00:51 PM »
Also, would a non-woke game require different stats for women vs men?   Biology is fact, and average men are bigger than average women.

I don't equate woke with character design in RPGs unless they are the usual woke outcries.

No sane human would deny the science, but wouldn't it be a bit silly to go into that level minutia? Also, pcs are supposed to be rather exceptional compared to the rest of the dreggs. And there are plenty of exceptional female athletes in full contact Martial Arts for real examples.

On the other hand, if you play a cripple then you're a cripple and you will be held back by your biology. So no running up the dungeon stairs for you unless you have a magical wheelchair of course.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Oh, yes. I can't help but laugh loudly every fucking time someone mentions the fucking magical wheelchairs!

It is absolutely mid-numbingly stupid how the morons that embrace the magical wheelchair seriously with a straight face!

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2022, 07:15:31 PM »

*Laughing* Oh, yes. I can't help but laugh loudly every fucking time someone mentions the fucking magical wheelchairs!

It is absolutely mid-numbingly stupid how the morons that embrace the magical wheelchair seriously with a straight face!

Semper Fidelis,

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Yeah man... it is what it is.

But some of those 'nu' D&D5e settings are like the old 'wacky races' cartoon where anything goes. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if you had a new character class like a Uni-Orc. A Siamese twin of a unicorn and a 'holy' orc sliced together and who are also deeply in love with each other. Their main power is to shoot a 'cone of goodness' from the unicorn's horn (which is also a phallus). The cone of goodness dispels grumpy white middle-aged men.

So I guess an obnoxiously powerful magical artifact, the uber chair (that would need to be designed by a deity) is perfectly acceptable for a level 1 character. LOL
You'd think that such a powerful' artifact' might actually be able to heal a cripple's legs as opposed to them floating about like a Davros.

But from my cold dead hands would any player ever get something like that in a gritty or even average fantasy setting. And I don't GM cartoons so 5e is out!  ;D
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2022, 10:34:28 AM »
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You would be the opposite of all the decay into meaninglessness.
I mean I could accept it, but then you follow with chaotic logorrhea which mixes some normal conservative stuff with rambling about Avogadro number. For sake of glorious conservative cause I'm sincerely ask you to stop rambling.

oh, so you don't (or won't) understand what I have written?
Let me try another way;

At conception, genetic material from one man and one woman begin replicating at a fantastic speed. Teeny tiny Molecules are placed precisely, exactly, perfectly 6.023*10X23rd^ times over and over and over and over. So many molecules in each CELL scream the biological instructions of what they will become. let me emphasize that; EVERY CELL knows what you will be, and what you are.

It is not a fact anyone should handwave. If you weigh 100 Kg, how much of you identifies you as a human being? ...ALL OF IT.
That is undeniable. That is REALITY. Reality is Absolute, Constant, Consistent, and Final.
if you don't like my posts or my presentations, too bad human.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2022, 10:35:41 AM »
It occurs to me that all you really need is a disclaimer at the start of the book.

Warning!

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #72 on: June 16, 2022, 12:58:13 AM »
I will weigh myself on how to invest in it. Currently, my friends and I are playing WorldBox https://techzapk.com/worldbox.htm, at first our resources were only land and water, but now they are powerful territories.
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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #73 on: June 16, 2022, 02:01:13 AM »
You would be the opposite of all the decay into meaninglessness.

1. Ability scores would Try to be a metric that compares to real-life human ability (Very hard to do, seriously, I.q. is a real pain in the ass to validly quantify, as is wisdom, and charisma...) You would recognize disability as "Criplling", and could use words like "Blind, Deaf, Weak, mute" to describe limiting conditions on characters. You would point out how NO ONE should want to play a disabled victim...
people should always try to discover the heroic and good within them, players should always want to better themselves through effort.

2. you would recognize men and women as being equal, but DIFFERENT. You would recognize only TWO genders. You would acknowledge the reality of chromosomes, genetics, chemistry, and biology, such as Avogadro's number and the Mole, i.e. people claiming to be any other gender are schizoid and anti-reality. You would see them as disgusting sexual deviants looking to create more converts (i.e. abducting and Molesting children) by worming their way into preschool kids, kindergarten, schools period, libraries, games, comics, children's hobbies, etc.

3. You would recognize "Ancestries" as being different and some would not be as strong, intelligent, wise, understanding, sociable, caring, good, healthy, etc as others are... hell, some ancestries could be recognized for an evil heritage/culture. such as slavers, cannibals, necrophilics, bestiality, incestuous, Sexist (include violence/murder of women), pederasts, kangaroo courts, false witch hunters, legitimately Orwellian, real dystopia, etc.

4. You would recognize biblical moral GOOD, and its opposition... EVIL in all of its disguises: ranging from slightly ruining innocence to the worst profane deeds.

5. You would ban people who post sexual content, especially freakish insanity/deviant sex (funtari, anthro, vore, etc.)

the woke say, "Don't Be T.R.A.A.S.H. - Transphobic, Racist, Ableist, Abusive, Sexist, Homophobic"...
and you'd recognize this for what it is; at best "Delusional" insanity. (and protecting DISGUSTING, VILE, SEXUAL PERVERSIONS through double speak, false appeals to virtue, and outright tyranny)

1. You call me names, let's see if you like it...
Day is not night. What is wrong with you? are you a clock'phobe!?! clockist!

2. There are only 2 genders: male, female.
men are not, and cannot be women.
Women are not, and can not be Men.
Reality is absolute, consistent, and measurable from atoms on out to the universe at large. Your problem isn't me. its you.
Get real.

3. Racism? you play an RPG... with diverse ANCESTRIES that have different ability score bonuses, movement rates, cultures, crafts, legal systems, religious morals, artwork, diet, environment, and languages.
so what is your problem, again?
oh, white people.

3. Ableist? DaFuq! what about ability scores isn't? What is your movement rate without paved surfaces? you got a problem with truth, then you don't have a problem with me... take it up with reality, god, the universe. let us see if reality cares about your feelings. let's see you take that wheelchair through a mangrove jungle, deer trails, and dry creek beds.

4.Abusive? you call me abusive? I tell the truth and your feelings hurt because you got caught being a sick pervert... is that what you mean? there are only two genders. women and men are DIFFERENT. Men can not, do not, and never have; periods, become pregnant. Getting pregnant is not an accident. Life begins at conception with a rapidly dividing clump of cells. abortion is not merely the disposal of a new life, it is the cheapening of all life. Too bad. "Hey judge, I didn't murder that girl. I just got rid of a clump of cells"...

5. Sexist? I have served decades in the military alongside women who could out push, lift, and fight better than I. if you think I am sexist, you are a Morron. Guess what? I still open the door for my wife. Chivalry is not chauvinism, Chivalry is not sexism. Chivalry is respect. if you don't want to be respected as a woman, so be it! Expect all men to not provide for you, to not pay for dates, to not buy gifts, to not do favors, to not do anything for you. Don't be mad, just go away an unloved spinster.

6. Homophobic? no. I am not "Phobic". What I am is deeply concerned by LGBT's constant and consistent need to molest children, why are they in the preschools, kindergarden, the schools, The game stores, invading the hobbies, invading theme parks? why? Through the actions of LGBT anyone can see the truth. LGBT is P, as in PEDOPHILES.

7. You don't have a problem with me. You have a problem with being caught. You have a problem with BEING a STEREOTYPE. I don't care what you pretend to be, I'm not your problem. YOUR PROBLEM IS REALITY.
So, go f*** yourself.

This is "Anti-woke".

Damn guy! Too bad you for banned because I have to say battlelords of the 23rd century checks most all the boxes you listed.

It's a 90s game, stats have number values that translate into real values for weight when it comes to strength.

Gender is generally moot. There is an all female  non humanoid player race that is somewhat sexist against males.

Gender identity, homo/hetero/bi is simply not mentioned much. 90s game, remember?

There is still racism, but not human on human racism, it should be called specism. Many races/species have hostility towards others. The Fott species was engineered to be racist bigots. Individuals can have their own feelings and attitudes towards others . In the military all are expected and commanded to operate together regardless of species.

There's such a thing as being crippled due to injruy, but there's none of this ableist stuff.  You get crippled, you can get bionics, of even regrow most of your body with high medical tech.  The setting  basically disposes of the ableist issue.

Sexism is not a factor,  one can assume only physically capable people will become mercs.

Abuse is part of the game. Having an abusive corporate shitweasel for a boss is a popular meme ib BL.

Yes, this game passes your test for being non woke.

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Re: what do you think would happen if a game was billed as "Non woke"?
« Reply #74 on: June 16, 2022, 02:07:10 AM »
Just saw what you got banned for. Yeah, that was pretty foul.
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