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Well, here is a Russian woman doing a variety of exercises and maneuvers. Very agile and coordinated!

What Dexterity score do you think she would have in D&D terms?

I think she certainly provides a bit of "real world" scope for what kinds of things a Rogue or an agile Fighter may be capable of.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

DEX 15 +1 (human) = 16; put Expertise in Acrobatics for a +7 at 1st level.

Solid 18, minimum. She has maximum balance and flexibility--well beyond what most normal people would be able to develop through stretching (I've tried). No room for improvement (other than physical power, which is a different deal), not sure how much more flexed she can be. She's basically a freak (but in a good way ).

Dexterity includes full-body agility, fine hand-eye coordination, accuracy, balance, and flexibilty.

That video was almost all flexibility and balance. She's an 18 in those sub-stats. There were a few things involving general agility, mostly spinning a staff, which by itself isn't that impressive. But she did do at least 2 flips without using hands, a kip, and holding those poses requires a lot of the muscles used for general agility, so it's reasonable to assume she's highly rated in that, as well.

But the video doesn't show any find hand-eye coordination or accuracy, so those are complete unknowns.

So on average, she probably has a pretty high score in overall Dex, but Dex is a composite of many traits, so it's possible she has weaknesses in other areas that would pull her score down.

Just eyeballing it at least a 16. Well above the norm and pushing into the higher ends of non-enhanced limits. Depending on her other skills she might be a 17 or even 18. But not enough is shown. There is more to DEX than that. What if she cant hit the broad side of a barn?

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Yeah, I originally clicked on the video in my feed because I recognize the song, Kykywka, which I like. I thought "Hmmm...a remix of this popular song? That should be cool". Then, I saw this kick-boxer, martial arts Russian girl out there, doing her thing, and I was pretty impressed. My jaw dropped for sure! Her balance, flexibility, agility is pretty damned stunning. Especially when one might consider that most American women would likely huff and puff like a dying hippo trying to bend down to get their fork that they dropped on the floor.

I thought, damn! So that's what a high-Dex Rogue or Fighter can do!

Certainly, she isn't demonstrating particular weapon skills, but with the kind of skill, precision, and discipline that is required for her to have the kind of body she has--and the impressive skills she puts on display--I can't imagine developing weapon skills would be a difficult task for a girl like her.

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SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on April 21, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
Greetings!

Well, here is a Russian woman doing a variety of exercises and maneuvers. Very agile and coordinated!

What Dexterity score do you think she would have in D&D terms?
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Huh, What?

All I saw was a fit woman in skin-tight, form-fitting clothing doing all kinds of wonderful flexible things.

Her "Dexterity score" was not the kind of Score that first came to mind...

Hard to say for sure for, to encompass Dexterity as defined in D&D you would need to see how she performs under serious resistance. A lot of what she does here is certainly impressive but just isn't possible under stress and doesn't necessarily translate to performance under that stress.

Why wouldn't you consider this woman to be a Monk in D&D  class terms?

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 21, 2021, 10:01:12 PM
Why wouldn't you consider this woman to be a Monk in D&D  class terms?

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That's a good point, Jeff! Certainly, a Monk could be a good fit for her as well!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Jaeger on April 21, 2021, 08:34:15 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 21, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
Greetings!

Well, here is a Russian woman doing a variety of exercises and maneuvers. Very agile and coordinated!

What Dexterity score do you think she would have in D&D terms?
...

Huh, What?

All I saw was a fit woman in skin-tight, form-fitting clothing doing all kinds of wonderful flexible things.

Her "Dexterity score" was not the kind of Score that first came to mind...

Greetings!

Quite right, Jaeger!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Holy shiitake.  That gal is bad with a bo staff.

Monk, with an 18 Dexterity.  Not a Level 1 character.  Somewhere between Levels 6 to 10.

I wouldn't give her a high stat for Strength, though.

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 21, 2021, 10:01:12 PM
Why wouldn't you consider this woman to be a Monk in D&D  class terms?

Hmmm.  Flashy, MAD, with lots of barely connected skill sets, and pretty much useless in a fight (in just about every addition).  Yep, you've sold me... she's a monk.

  Not enough information.  I see where she is regarding flexibility and spending hours training kicks and keeping balance, not where her NATURAL traits are regarding balance performing a specific skill.  I would say her demonstration is more an example of character level and almost zero towards her actual dexterity.  I would need to see her run some hurdles, walk a rope, etc to get a better read on natural dex, the ninja warrior style obstacles provide more feedback in so far as "stats". 

   She is flexible and has obviously spent a great deal of time practicing her routines.   But she is not on the extreme outlier end with regard to balance or flexibility among the people who spend a great deal of time on it.  She is an outlier among casual hobbyists and is on what I would consider a professional level in what she does, but again that is more a communication of character level and not genetic born innate ability. 

IDK, a lot of these "need more info" arguments seem to be demanding an extreme standard of measurement, just to gauge a general innate stat, when a lot of this stuff is just skill, or highly reliant on it, which is a separate issue from natural ability.

- Need to see her hitting stuff (that's a skill)
- Need to see her jumping through hoops (skill)
- Need to see her perform under stress (skill and experience)

And a lot of these moves that she's doing take immense motor control and agility just to bend your body that way without falling. I can't do half the stuff she's doing, and I've tried. Granted, I'm an out of shape fat bastard who has barely trained in years, and a lot of this is skill, but a lot of these moves also take spatial awareness and coordination to do without hitting yourself or dropping your stick. When I was starting out with staff spinning I used to hit myself all the time. I still hit myself occasionally (albeit rarely), and I've been doing it for like two years. But this chick can throw a staff, spinning horizontally in the air and catch it above her head.

Could she maybe do it better? I guess, but that's more a measure of skill than natural ability.