This changes my non-interest in 3E not one bit.  *shrug*


In more exciting WFRP news, I just filled in the last couple issues of Warpstone I was missing!

Quote from: Windjammer;518709Well, there's a difference between Andy Collins (a 3e WotC guy) or Ari Marmell (a d20 freelancer) rewriting Tomb of Horrors for 4th edition, and WotC asking Gary Gygax to write it (which they didn't).

At least FFG went back to one of the original authors, Graeme Davis, who's going to be co-writing and/or developing it. He says more about it on his blog,

http://graemedavis.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/the-enemy-within-again/

where he clarifies inter alia that it's not going to be a conversion at all. Think Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, and I think you get an idea of where they are going with this.

That apart, I'm frankly amazed at the sort of hate and doomsaying this announcement draws. Because they go the route of 'Return to the Temple' it's writing on the wall that Warhammer 3rd is dead? Geez - did you say that too when Monte wrote something similar for 3.0? No? So what's the reasoning here? Another bout of wishful thinking?

I have no idea.

As for myself, I've just been in touch with our Deathwatch GM earlier today and we're going to run this campaign later this year. While I don't have high hopes, I look forward to it, and I'll certainly post play experience with it on this board.

I've never understood anger and hate over a game one doesn't play. I suspect that those of us who don't get riled by stuff like this are incapable of understanding those that do.

Quote from: Skywalker;518387A surprise and clever move for FFG - http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=3112

I can't see how a $60 product with all of the chaff can cover the same scope as the original campaign, but they do expect it to cover at least 30 sessions. I see its broken into 3 adventures and it looks very different in terms of story.

Still interesting.

How in the hell did FFG get the rights to The Enemy Within?

And if there are no fucking barges sunk in the making or playing of this campaign, then God has truly abandoned us.

Quote from: TheHistorian;518744In more exciting WFRP news, I just filled in the last couple issues of Warpstone I was missing!

Warpstone 30 should be out soon - now that's something to look forward too.

(Although tbf I would say that, I wrote one of the articles in it).

Quote from: Benoist;518602In the end, these guys will just have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that RPGs are their own thing, and that inserting story-bullshit, board-game crap and the like into the medium, especially the Classics, just leads to complete failure.

Thank you, Forge guys!

Precisely.

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Quote from: StormBringer;518750How in the hell did FFG get the rights to The Enemy Within?

And if there are no fucking barges sunk in the making or playing of this campaign, then God has truly abandoned us.

There will be a special card for the DM "Tap it to sink the player's barge".

I'm holding out hope that 4th edition will be good like even editions good, odd editions bad, like Star Trek.

It doesn't exactly map out but you get the idea.

Quote from: Rincewind1;518919There will be a special card for the DM "Tap it to sink the player's barge".

Is that a blue or green card?  

Quote from: Windjammer;518709Well, there's a difference between Andy Collins (a 3e WotC guy) or Ari Marmell (a d20 freelancer) rewriting Tomb of Horrors for 4th edition, and WotC asking Gary Gygax to write it (which they didn't).

I'm not sure how much good it would have done. Gygax was dead by the time 4th Edition was released.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;518931I'm not sure how much good it would have done. Gygax was dead by the time 4th Edition was released.

Yes I'm aware of that. I was speaking hypothetically, though your point stands in that I failed to imply that in my earlier post.

Besides, it's even more hypothetical than assuming Gygax being alive then, in that WotC successfully contracting him to write for 4e seems unlikely in its own right. Some of Gygax' criticisms of 3e - dissolution of the (class) archetypes and the alignments - would apply even more forcefully to 4e, and I'm not sure he'd have lent his name to the system, much less dedicated his creative energies to it.

Quote from: StormBringer;518928Is that a blue or green card?  

Brown, like the colour of the game.

Quote from: Windjammer;518954Yes I'm aware of that. I was speaking hypothetically, though your point stands in that I failed to imply that in my earlier post.

Apologies. That post should have had a smiley appended to it.

As a fan of WHFRP3e, and an active follower of the line, I'll just say that I skip on the adventures.  I won't be picking this one up either.  I'm just waiting for Hero's Call.

Quote from: Windjammer;518709That apart, I'm frankly amazed at the sort of hate and doomsaying this announcement draws.

Amazed? Really?

Quote from: Windjammer;518709So what's the reasoning here? Another bout of wishful thinking?

Got it in one. It pisses off the grognards that WFRP 3 is proving to be a popular game, with a strong player base and a steady release of supplements. Because that means a lot of other people like things they don't like.

No, better to imagine that it's a move of desperation on FFG's part. Never mind that it's probably been part of the plan since they took over WFRP in the first place. Or that a lot of people who play WFRP 3, and who will buy the new Enemy Within, are people who played earlier editions.

Quote from: Benoist;518602In the end, these guys will just have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that RPGs are their own thing, and that inserting story-bullshit, board-game crap and the like into the medium, especially the Classics, just leads to complete failure.

WFRP 3 is doing pretty well, by all accounts. Better than WFRP 2, certainly. Can you name some non-D&D RPGs that are doing better?

As for the boardgame stuff, what, in your playing experience, do you find boardgamey about WFRP 3?

Personally, I find it plays much easier without miniatures and a battle grid than D&D 3E does. That makes it less boardgamey in my eyes. Putting rules and monsters on cards is simply a matter of convenience, especially for groups like mine where the players don't own the books and will never take the rules home to study. Now they each have a few cards with all the mechanics they need to know right in front of them.

And there's nothing especially storygamey about WFRP 3. In fact, it was WFRP 2 that gave us fate points, a pretty blatant narrative mechanic. But maybe Black Industry was infiltrated with Forgists as well, eh?