Can we give the squirrels submachineguns and the dog gets a running head start??


- Ed C.

Squirrels?

Quote from: HinterWeltAt no point do I think (and you have not implied this) that moderation is the answer either. As Clash has said, you can stand up for what you want in life or you can run away. This is my way of standing up and saying "Do you think there is a problem"? If so, we should be vigilant and tell these folks that are wrong. Fight as hard for the new guy/"indie" game/whatever as they to to drive off those they find undesirable. I am heartened by many of the responses in this thread.

What I find tiring is the "us v them" mentality that seems to permeate most discussion on this board. If you are concerned about folks being turned away, you're a whiner. If you dislike the hostility evident in certain posts, you are against free speech. If you like certain games, you are drinking the kool aid. The thing is if you post here regularly you begin to realize that not all folks suffer from "gamer hate"...but the noise generated by the few who do, drowns out nearly everyone else.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: joewolzTalk about whatever you like, Bill.

Personally, I enjoy all games, even the one the "hard core" here despise.  In fact, tonight I'm playing Dogs in the Vineyard...one of my all time favorite games.

I think there should be a more tolerant attitude here on some sorts of games.  This place should have been a place where one can talk about RPGs and not be censored for speaking one's mind.  Instead, it's gotten almost as bad as RPG.net's d20 ghetto.

I'm almost fed up with the place.

On this site we've had non-flamewar threads about Nobilis and DiTV. You really can talk about anything here; the fact that its GEARED toward Trad games, but tolerant of discussion of any games, is just a hallmark of how much interest/positive feedback you are likely to get.  I mean obviously, you're going to get more people here interested in talking good stuff about Star Wars than about The Mountain Witch, but if you start a thread about the latter which is actually ABOUT the game (and not about how much better the game is than normal games or something like that) and people come in to expressly threadcrap, I would be quite pissed off at those people.

I'll note also that I'm not familiar with Squirrel Attack, but I've seen Roma Imperious.  I don't care for the game for certain personal issues I have with it, but I certainly don't think its a non-mainstream game or something like that.
I don't tend to think of Hinterwelt as a publisher of "Swine games".  

As for SA, I think that making the game comedic instantly means that its far less likely to have the level of pretentiousness to qualify as Swine material in my book.

RPGPundit

Quote from: HinterWeltTo Clash, oh, I am not worried about having my feelings hurt and storming off. I am more concerned with if those 2-3 people have their way, only people who believe in thier manifesto will sign up. Thus, shaping the community falls to the people at the extremes. This is no different than if it was an extreme form of acceptance.

Bill

I wouldn't want this site to be the kind of site where you couldn't talk about certain games because of a few extremists taking over. I also wouldn't want it to be a site where people could post about how mainstream games or regular gamers are inferior with impunity.

The secret is finding a balance between the two.  "balance" in this case not quite meaning 50/50 split, but rather meaning that the overall emphasis on this site is one that FAVOURS Regular Roleplaying, but doesn't censor legitimate discussion about any games (including Forge games) either through mod action or through threadcrapping.

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Bill,

I've dug the concept of SA since you first brought it up on another forum a year or so ago. The whole concept, as you explained it then, reminded me of a game I was in at my and only convention years ago, called Katz Gone Bad, where the PCs were animals prowling around a neighbourhood. SA seems far from pretentious. I wouldn't worry about talking about here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Quote from: KoltarCan we give the squirrels submachineguns and the dog gets a running head start??


- Ed C.

Well, I have The Pie Incident where squirrels fight a horrible monster in New England, I am releasing next month a supplement Shaolin Squirrels with Squirrel-Fu and Squirrels Ahoy with piratic squirrels so I could easily see The Squirrel Mob down the pike. Also, the biggest enemies are actually Anmeow and her Catsassins.

That said, sorry, no machine guns. The squirrels do not use implementation.

Bill

Quote from: David RWhat I find tiring is the "us v them" mentality that seems to permeate most discussion on this board. If you are concerned about folks being turned away, you're a whiner. If you dislike the hostility evident in certain posts, you are against free speech. If you like certain games, you are drinking the kool aid. The thing is if you post here regularly you begin to realize that not all folks suffer from "gamer hate"...but the noise generated by the few who do, drowns out nearly everyone else.

Regards,
David R

Agreed, and this is the point I am trying to highlight. I feel a growing level of us vs them. This can be a tactic to grow a business or forum ("We are elite but they are bad, join us and you can be elite too") but I find such tactics self defeating for what I would like to see out of a forum. To me, inclusion and general openness is a good approach. I would like to believe, towards the beginning of theRPGSite that it was more inclusive in tone or perhaps it was just less vocal. Back B.P, it was the wild west but I really dug on the "Protect yourself with logic". Today, although that still works to an extent, I am concerned in what appears to be a growing sentiment of "Toe the party line". It seems to be derivative of the exclusionary tactics.

Am I off here David? I do not want to seem paranoid. Maybe I have just clicked on the wrong threads. I am willing to admit I am wrong or misinformed. After all, these are just my impressions and discussion of my observations is why I brought it up to the community.

Bill

there can be a bit of 'tude here, but i enjoy hearing about new games!  it just makes me sad that i don't have the time to try them all out.  plus the fact that my gaming group tends to stick to the same old games, i guess i may have to really push to get them to try stuff like nebuleon, or sorcerer, or in harm's way.  

maybe it's the threads, too.  the ones i hit tend to less combative.  but i also stay out of off topic, mostly.  there dwells the rabid wolverines

Yeah - I go into off topic as often as I go into Tangency - that is zero. I'm here to talk about games.

-clash

What I find entertaining is the so called "haters" of viral marketing are doing a fine job of making these games known.  I actually just picked up Mountain Witch and Primetime Adventures more out of curiousity to see what the fuss was about.  Games that I'd normally be disinterested in are at worth a passing look.  I plan on giving them a once over and posting soon.

I'd like to think this site doesn't have a narrow focus as far as gaming goes.  I know I'm all over the map as far as what I like, and most of the posters I enjoy here are the same way.  I think there's definitely sometimes a backlash against games that are felt to be darlings elsewhere, but having the freedom to let loose and criticize them should be kept separate from have a narrow scope of acceptable games for discussion.

As for SA, Bill, I can't see as how it would ever be classed as a "navel-gazer" anyhow.  It's just a game that sets out for its players to have a fun, perhaps somewhat silly time.  I can't think of anything that wouldn't be welcome about that.

Thanks guys!

I actually think this thread has uplifted me a bit in my opinions of the direction of the site.  I'm going to take Kyle's advice and start a thread now.

Quote from: GunslingerWhat I find entertaining is the so called "haters" of viral marketing are doing a fine job of making these games known.  I actually just picked up Mountain Witch and Primetime Adventures more out of curiousity to see what the fuss was about.  Games that I'd normally be disinterested in are at worth a passing look.  I plan on giving them a once over and posting soon.

If you really think that my hating a game is enough to convince you that you'll like it, more power to you. Go nuts.  I really don't give a tinker's fuck whether or not you play indie games, as long as they're prevented from having an undue influence that ends up warping and ruining regular RPGs, and so long as they don't manage to sell what they're selling through lies and deception.

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Quote from: HinterWeltAm I off here David? I do not want to seem paranoid. Maybe I have just clicked on the wrong threads. I am willing to admit I am wrong or misinformed. After all, these are just my impressions and discussion of my observations is why I brought it up to the community.

No you're pretty spot on. I have my own little theory as to why the "us v them" mentality seems to be taking hold here. First of, it's not everybody...in fact I'd go so far as to say that the majority of gamers here and elsewhere (although acknowledging the "distinctions" in the hobby as Elliot puts it) are either ignorant and/or unimpressed with the Pundit & Co's "war". I mean the Enworlders are happyly discussing the stuff they like. tBPers are romancing their latest "darling", nobody seems too concerned that this hobby is in danger of anything.

But ranting on your blog does not get the kind of attention a war played out in a forum gets you. So old blog posts are highlighted, game designers who are considered part of the "collective" are called out and loyal proxies watch for any signs of enemy movement.

There's a whole lot of collateral damage going on and frankly that's the biggest turn off for potential posters to this site. There are not many threads where the underlying hostility of some poster are not made known and normally it's the same folks who believe there's a war. This in turn gets everybody a tad twitchy and this leads to disinterest which I don't think is very good for this forum.

Regards,
David R