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Video: Jonathan Tweet Doesn't Know What Storygames Are (and He Lied About Me)

Started by RPGPundit, August 09, 2018, 11:11:16 PM

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RPGPundit

Today, a new video.

Jonathan Tweet is one of the best living game designers, or was until Trump Derangement Syndrome took hold.
He also took offense at my saying Over the Edge (maybe his best game ever) wasn't a Storygame, because apparently, somehow, he doesn't know the difference between Storygames and RPGs.

And to top it all off, he lied about me for no good reason.

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Something like 30 "uhs" in 5 minutes. Though as noted before, once you get revved up you do it alot less. Some advice from my speech therapist way back is to A: practice and try to catch yourself uh-ing. and B: when you feel like you are about to instead either pause or take a breath. Then continue on. This helps your oration come across as less indecisive. Which is important when you are trying to get across a point or present your case.

As for Tweet. Sounds like he ascribes to the storygamer party line as quite a few will ascribe storytelling to about anything. Same as some ascribe pretty much "everything on earth" as Role playing. And to some storygame means "everything on earth" or darn close. Or maybee he is trying to court some sort of storygamer market?

Spinachcat

You can EDIT out pauses, uhs and whatevers. It's worth the effort.

You need more production value.

I agree with Omega, you uh less when revved up. So go berzerker rage shield chewing before recording.

WillInNewHaven

When you say "not a storygame," you mean it as a compliment. He probably thinks it will hurt his sales.
By the way, saying that storygames aren't a subset of RPGs isn't insupportable but saying that they are isn't insupportable either.
By his standards, GURPS is a storygame.

l have Trump Derangement Syndrome, I had Obama Derangement Syndrome, I had Bush Derangement Syndrome. Before that, I was usually just deranged.

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I'd have to be actually earning serious money at this to bother with editing.
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Simon W

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052433I'd have to be actually earning serious money at this to bother with editing.

If you can be bothered to put up a video you want people to listen to you. If they aren't listening you're not making your point to anyone but yourself.

Chris24601

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052433I'd have to be actually earning serious money at this to bother with editing.
And therein lies the paradox; to get enough eyeballs to earn serious money you first need to put in the effort to make a polished finished product.

There are more YouTubers with opinions out there who actually take the time to edit than there are hours in the day to watch their content. No one is going to stick around to watch a rant by someone who doesn't care enough about his opinion to bother editing the piece when there are three others who actually put a modicum of effort into making their piece more viewer friendly.

Even just going through and cutting the "uh"s would make a world of difference. Even guys who put their face on camera do it (you can see it in a lot of YouTube videos actually... as long as they're positioned in basically the same position on screen it's barely noticeable. It's even less noticeable if you're not on screen yourself.

Take this free advice for what it's worth, but if you aren't going to bother editing the videos, you should stick to your blogging because you'll never get enough of a following to be profitable otherwise.

Almost_Useless

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052433I'd have to be actually earning serious money at this to bother with editing.

I get there are only so many hours in the day.  At the same time, if you make a 15 minute video where the only thing we see is your book, you made a 15 minute commercial for your book.

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Quote from: Simon W;1052449If you can be bothered to put up a video you want people to listen to you. If they aren't listening you're not making your point to anyone but yourself.

1. My channel is doing pretty well and growing steadily for a niche talk channel.

2. Have none of you people seen Diversity & Comics? He's got exactly the same production values as I do, and he's HUGE.
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Quote from: Chris24601;1052472And therein lies the paradox; to get enough eyeballs to earn serious money you first need to put in the effort to make a polished finished product.

There are more YouTubers with opinions out there who actually take the time to edit than there are hours in the day to watch their content. No one is going to stick around to watch a rant by someone who doesn't care enough about his opinion to bother editing the piece when there are three others who actually put a modicum of effort into making their piece more viewer friendly.

Even just going through and cutting the "uh"s would make a world of difference. Even guys who put their face on camera do it (you can see it in a lot of YouTube videos actually... as long as they're positioned in basically the same position on screen it's barely noticeable. It's even less noticeable if you're not on screen yourself.

Take this free advice for what it's worth, but if you aren't going to bother editing the videos, you should stick to your blogging because you'll never get enough of a following to be profitable otherwise.

Again, dude, D&C doesn't show his face, makes videos exactly as I did, and is making fucktons of money through his channel.  I doubt I'll ever reach that level of fame and profit, but I think there's also a shitload of people who use neat production values and get way less views.

Shit, Grim Jim makes more polished videos than me (he's got the skills for it), shows his face, has been at this way longer, and tends to consistently get less views than I do.
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Kyle Aaron

Surely the guy who actually wrote the game knows if it's a storygame or not?

Or is this just, "if I like it, it's not a storygame"? This reminds me of that Tangency dude Amado who said, "racism is a system of oppression where whites put themselves above blacks, therefore blacks can't be racist." This really confused people when, without explaining the context, he'd say blacks who had said or done nasty things about or to some racial group weren't racist. He knew why they didn't understand, but didn't explain it because then he could feel more special. That's just being deliberately obtuse.

If you redefine words so they have meanings nobody else accepts then yes, you can argue all sorts of wacky stuff and get into all sorts of pointless arguments, just like a lefty. It's more productive to use words with the meaning as commonly understood, or at the least to use the difference between your understanding of them and everyone else's to have a discussion about the differences and the reasons for them, and thus go deeper into things than people commonly do.

Until then, Over The Edge is a storygame.
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Omega

Id say NO, a person who wrote a game very well might not know what the hell game it really is. You see this at times in board games and some RPGs.
They might be misinformed at the time of writing, or afterwards. They might also just be making a claim to cash in.

If Tweet says its a story game that unfortunately doesnt mean it is. I am unfamilliar with Over the Edge other than knowing it was an RPG and a CCG. Seemed like the CCG lasted longer than the RPG?

What elements in Over the Edge would have made it a storygame?

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I like your videos somewhat pundit but it cracks me up that you call yourself the final boss of internet shitlords.  I mean, I get it, you've got your ego to self inflate and an attempt to garner attention to maintain but dude you're not a pinprick spatter on the wall when it comes to internet bloodsport.  Call me when you get Internet Aristocrat/Mr. Metokur level.  Or even Razorfist if you want to stay focused on things that are (occasionally) gaming related.  You're a mini-boss.  Your the chaingunner or Hellknight of internet shitlords.  DGMR I will give you that you've got a good foundation - conversation of you triggers people at SJW havens like Somethingawful or rpg.net, so it's a good start but...yeah, no.
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Someone else called him that, intending it as an insult. This is what happened.
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Iron_Rain

Pundit, when your own fanbase is pointing out your production values are shit, then... Your production values are shit. Citing two examples doesn't make a case. Listening to all your "uhs" wastes my time.