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Venger Satanis Book Facing Censorship, Again

Started by RPGPundit, May 14, 2022, 03:35:10 AM

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HappyDaze

#15
May 16, 2022, 12:02:08 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 15, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 15, 2022, 01:03:14 AM
This surprises anyone at this point?

Venger. Have you tried contacting them and asking what specifically the charges were? It could be those false claims BGG was tossing around? Or any number of others. Could be easy to sort out. But if the site itself is gunning for you then well not much can do unless want to go the lawsuit route.

You can read the "suspension email" right here on this blog post: https://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-good-symaarian-suspended.html
What would happen if you instead bundled some of your non-political titles and sold them as a pro-life bundle? Those titles were not objectionable enough to be blocked up until now, so if they then blocked that bundle it would be an interesting test to see how blatantly biased DTRPG is on this issue as the pro-choice bundle is a go.

mudbanks

#16
May 16, 2022, 01:37:05 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 16, 2022, 12:02:08 AM
What would happen if you instead bundled some of your non-political titles and sold them as a pro-life bundle? Those titles were not objectionable enough to be blocked up until now, so if they then blocked that bundle it would be an interesting test to see how blatantly biased DTRPG is on this issue as the pro-choice bundle is a go.

This is a hell of an idea, but I love it! The NPCs' CPU would just meltdown.

Omega

#17
May 16, 2022, 03:21:19 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 15, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 15, 2022, 01:03:14 AM
This surprises anyone at this point?

Venger. Have you tried contacting them and asking what specifically the charges were? It could be those false claims BGG was tossing around? Or any number of others. Could be easy to sort out. But if the site itself is gunning for you then well not much can do unless want to go the lawsuit route.

You can read the "suspension email" right here on this blog post: https://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-good-symaarian-suspended.html

Probably the usual suspects false reporting you.

Rob Necronomicon

#18
May 16, 2022, 07:11:15 AM
Protest art should always be part of our culture so to censor it is obnoxious. Even if you don't agree with the message.

What if someone did a fantasy scenario portraying the conservative anti-abortionists as religious zealot sorcerers who kept their women as breeding machines to keep the line pure. Then killed anyone who wanted to control their own reproductive rights? Would that be allowed?

Do we censor Charlie Hebdo? Because it offends Muslims? I think not...
Attack-minded and dangerously so - W.E. Fairbairn.
youtube shit:www.youtube.com/channel/UCt1l7oq7EmlfLT6UEG8MLeg

Ghostmaker

#19
May 16, 2022, 10:21:26 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 07:11:15 AM

Do we censor Charlie Hebdo? Because it offends Muslims? I think not...
Sigh. As a matter of fact, Charlie Hebdo got censored by direct violence.

Rob Necronomicon

#20
May 16, 2022, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 16, 2022, 10:21:26 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 07:11:15 AM

Do we censor Charlie Hebdo? Because it offends Muslims? I think not...
Sigh. As a matter of fact, Charlie Hebdo got censored by direct violence.

"Charlie Hebdo Republishes Cartoons That Prompted Deadly 2015 Attack

The decision by the French satirical magazine to recirculate cartoons about the Prophet Muhammad and Islam coincides with the start of a long-awaited trial for the attack that killed 11 of its staff."
Attack-minded and dangerously so - W.E. Fairbairn.
youtube shit:www.youtube.com/channel/UCt1l7oq7EmlfLT6UEG8MLeg

VengerSatanis

#21
May 16, 2022, 11:16:37 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 07:11:15 AM
Protest art should always be part of our culture so to censor it is obnoxious. Even if you don't agree with the message.

What if someone did a fantasy scenario portraying the conservative anti-abortionists as religious zealot sorcerers who kept their women as breeding machines to keep the line pure. Then killed anyone who wanted to control their own reproductive rights? Would that be allowed?

Do we censor Charlie Hebdo? Because it offends Muslims? I think not...

That's a good thought.  So it bundling some of my stuff as anti-abortion / pro-life.  Might do that, but first I'd like to get the results of DriveThru's internal review.

Rob Necronomicon

#22
May 16, 2022, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 16, 2022, 11:16:37 AM
Might do that, but first I'd like to get the results of DriveThru's internal review.

Yeah mate, you might as well wait to see what drivethru say.

But failing that on the off-chance, don't forget that you, Pundit and GJ have a decent online platform so you can easily give each other reviews and a shout-out. So you could always sell some of your stuff online directly to the customer (via Paypal). AKA - For any problematic content that those man-babies at Drivrthru might have.

Also, you can pop advertisements for 'problematic' content in all of your current books as well, so customers know they exist. Where possible always fuck the middleman who takes their pound of flesh.

Just my 2cents.







Attack-minded and dangerously so - W.E. Fairbairn.
youtube shit:www.youtube.com/channel/UCt1l7oq7EmlfLT6UEG8MLeg

BoxCrayonTales

#23
May 16, 2022, 12:08:39 PM
I don't have the book, so how is the cult actually portrayed? Do they believe in women's rights? Or do they keep women enslaved as breeding machines to produce babies for sacrifice?

Rob Necronomicon

#24
May 16, 2022, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:08:39 PM
I don't have the book, so how is the cult actually portrayed? Do they believe in women's rights? Or do they keep women enslaved as breeding machines to produce babies for sacrifice?

Here is a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JaNtcZ5ce0
Attack-minded and dangerously so - W.E. Fairbairn.
youtube shit:www.youtube.com/channel/UCt1l7oq7EmlfLT6UEG8MLeg

BoxCrayonTales

#25
May 16, 2022, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:08:39 PM
I don't have the book, so how is the cult actually portrayed? Do they believe in women's rights? Or do they keep women enslaved as breeding machines to produce babies for sacrifice?

Here is a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JaNtcZ5ce0
Okay, so that doesn't strike me as any different from the child sacrifices to Moloch. How is this anti-abortion?

If the cult was devoted to women's rights, only killed unwanted babies, and was depicted as evil in the eyes of the good gods for doing so, then that would be one thing. But this doesn't sound remotely political or anti-abortion.

EDIT: Oh, he mentioned Roe v Wade in the intro. Okay, that's clearly political favoritism at work. Drivethrurpg is essentially saying that only left-wingers can advertise their politics.

Rob Necronomicon

#26
May 16, 2022, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:08:39 PM
I don't have the book, so how is the cult actually portrayed? Do they believe in women's rights? Or do they keep women enslaved as breeding machines to produce babies for sacrifice?

Here is a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JaNtcZ5ce0
Okay, so that doesn't strike me as any different from the child sacrifices to Moloch. How is this anti-abortion?

If the cult was devoted to women's rights, only killed unwanted babies, and was depicted as evil in the eyes of the good gods for doing so, then that would be one thing. But this doesn't sound remotely political or anti-abortion.

Eh? Venger mentions it at the beginning of the book apparently (not that I have read it yet). So Miguel and Silvia say in the review.


Attack-minded and dangerously so - W.E. Fairbairn.
youtube shit:www.youtube.com/channel/UCt1l7oq7EmlfLT6UEG8MLeg

BoxCrayonTales

#27
May 16, 2022, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:08:39 PM
I don't have the book, so how is the cult actually portrayed? Do they believe in women's rights? Or do they keep women enslaved as breeding machines to produce babies for sacrifice?

Here is a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JaNtcZ5ce0
Okay, so that doesn't strike me as any different from the child sacrifices to Moloch. How is this anti-abortion?

If the cult was devoted to women's rights, only killed unwanted babies, and was depicted as evil in the eyes of the good gods for doing so, then that would be one thing. But this doesn't sound remotely political or anti-abortion.

Eh? Venger mentions it at the beginning of the book apparently (not that I have read it yet). So Miguel and Silvia say in the review.
Ok, so Venger mentions Roe v Wade at the beginning of the book but it otherwise has nothing to do with the adventure itself. This is blatant political favoritism by drivethru: they're saying you can only advertise left-wing politics.

Rob Necronomicon

#28
May 16, 2022, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 16, 2022, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:08:39 PM
I don't have the book, so how is the cult actually portrayed? Do they believe in women's rights? Or do they keep women enslaved as breeding machines to produce babies for sacrifice?

Here is a review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JaNtcZ5ce0
Okay, so that doesn't strike me as any different from the child sacrifices to Moloch. How is this anti-abortion?

If the cult was devoted to women's rights, only killed unwanted babies, and was depicted as evil in the eyes of the good gods for doing so, then that would be one thing. But this doesn't sound remotely political or anti-abortion.

Eh? Venger mentions it at the beginning of the book apparently (not that I have read it yet). So Miguel and Silvia say in the review.
Ok, so Venger mentions Roe v Wade at the beginning of the book but it otherwise has nothing to do with the adventure itself. This is blatant political favoritism by drivethru: they're saying you can only advertise left-wing politics.

It appears that way. Although, I can only speculate as I've not read the actual adventure. The review basically says that if V had not done the blurb at the beginning it would probably have gone under the radar.

Of course, Drivthru will just say they had received a complaint and therefore had to take it down and review it.

From the artist's perspective, this should always be the other way around imo.



Attack-minded and dangerously so - W.E. Fairbairn.
youtube shit:www.youtube.com/channel/UCt1l7oq7EmlfLT6UEG8MLeg

GhostNinja

#29
May 16, 2022, 02:21:32 PM Last Edit: May 16, 2022, 02:25:52 PM by GhostNinja
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2022, 12:23:32 PMThis is blatant political favoritism by drivethru: they're saying you can only advertise left-wing politics.

Eh, it's their press/site, their rules.   There are plenty of open source easy to use storefront softwares out there where someone can create their own storefront and sell their material, no matter how offensive on their own terms and without having to follow the other site's rules.

I have thought about creating a store for selling .pdfs that people are free to publish whatever the hell they want and would ignore the complainers.  I may do it because of Drivethrus's crap.

Not to mention their "cut" of sales are a ripoff.  I heard they are charging 50% now (I could be wrong).
Ghostninja
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