Anyone play Vampire: The Masquerade?

I did. I did a lot and the center of our game was Chicago by Night 1st and 2nd Edition. Arguably the two greatest game supplements of all time. I am so excited they're doing a 3rd version of the city for 5th Edition. I loved the 5th Edition supplement and Beckett's Jyhad diary.

Who said tabletop roleplaying was dead?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/chicago-by-night-for-vampire-the-masquerade-5th-ed/description

I'm already loving the previews which my backing the game has allowed me to see.

Critias, Damien, Sheriff, and others.

Plus it's going to have the Lasombra Clan detailed within.

I've heard rumors they'll do another Gary by Night supplement as a stretch goal too.

Quote from: CTPhipps;1062720Anyone play Vampire: The Masquerade?

I did. I did a lot and the center of our game was Chicago by Night 1st and 2nd Edition. Arguably the two greatest game supplements of all time. I am so excited they're doing a 3rd version of the city for 5th Edition. I loved the 5th Edition supplement and Beckett's Jyhad diary.

Who said tabletop roleplaying was dead?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/chicago-by-night-for-vampire-the-masquerade-5th-ed/description

I'm already loving the previews which my backing the game has allowed me to see.

Critias, Damien, Sheriff, and others.

Plus it's going to have the Lasombra Clan detailed within.

I've heard rumors they'll do another Gary by Night supplement as a stretch goal too.

Ran a campaign earlier this year. I think it's still on Obsidian Portal.

I do like the new edition of Vampire, but I'm not much for too many kickstarters.

I'm not normally a big fan here but I actually appreciate the fact the developers are making it worth my time with the fact the book is done ahead of the funding and we'll get to see it as backers.

I'm tempted... Chicago by Night 1st edition is the greatest Vampire supplement regardless of edition ever..

The NPC's, the Political Situation, the sheer number of random encounters (Yes it had a random encounters chart, and it was fucking amazing!)

I don't know if they can catch that same lightening in a bottle again.... It was a setting with such interesting NPC's and plot things going on... You could literally have a session of your players just going to the Succubus Club to hang out and schmooze and it would be a great time.

One thing I love about 5th Edition is they're trying to bring back that 1st Edition feel.

The previews for CbN 5E really focus on character motivations, goals, and adventure hooks.

They may have overdone the Easter Eggs and references, though.

It's nice to have the money, it's better to have the product.  Lemme know when the book is out and printed.

I really like the write ups for Anita Wainwright and Edward Neally so far.

Edit:

Cool, it's already funded and has two stretch goals met.

ACHIEVED!! - CHICAGO FOLIO: THE CAMARILLA RECORD – A section will be added to the Chicago Folio, an in-character artifact book compiling diary entries, transcripts, emails, and other treasures to use in the course of a V5 chronicle, especially useful when utilizing the characters and plots from Chicago by Night. All backers receiving the Chicago By Night PDF will automatically have a PDF version of the Chicago Folio added to their rewards list.

ACHIEVED! - CHICAGO FOLIO: THE ANARCH ACCOUNTS – A second section will be added to the Chicago Folio, doubling its size.

I'm really hoping they reach the Milwaukee and Gary supplement goal.

At $65,000 in funding - LET THE STREETS RUN RED – The first chronicle, set in the throbbing heart and ruined suburbs of Chicago, will be added to Let the Streets Run Red, a PDF supplement set in and around the Chicago and Midwest area, incorporating characters absent from V5 Chicago by Night and exploring the activities of Indianapolis, Milwaukee, and the rural Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana areas. All backers receiving the Chicago By Night hardcover will automatically have a PDF version of Let the Streets Run Red added to their rewards list.

Are they doing an offset print run or is it PoD?

Quote from: CTPhipps;1062987All backers receiving the Chicago By Night hardcover will automatically have a PDF version of Let the Streets Run Red added to their rewards list.

This is where I get a bee in my bonnet. The Stretch Goal reward is only for those who order a hard copy...If you're in for the PDF, to bad.

Onxy Path has always been very stingy with their stretch goals though....

I love Chicago by Night!

If I had the money, I would back this!

Quote from: Orphan81;1063298This is where I get a bee in my bonnet. The Stretch Goal reward is only for those who order a hard copy...If you're in for the PDF, to bad.

Onxy Path has always been very stingy with their stretch goals though....

Well the Stretch Goal supplement PDFs will be for sale after Chicago by Night 5E's release so they're not exclusive gifts.

Quote from: CTPhipps;1063408Well the Stretch Goal supplement PDFs will be for sale after Chicago by Night 5E's release so they're not exclusive gifts.

Oh, I understand.. it's more, most other RPG companies like say, Pinnacle or John Wick Presents will throw in the additional unlocked PDFs for free with your buy in to the initial Kickstarter...

Onyx Path is one of the few companies I know of who makes stretch goals the right to buy additional products from them.... "With this new Stretch Goal at 50K we'll create another supplement you can buy from us!"

Quote from: Orphan81;1063420Oh, I understand.. it's more, most other RPG companies like say, Pinnacle or John Wick Presents will throw in the additional unlocked PDFs for free with your buy in to the initial Kickstarter...

Onyx Path is one of the few companies I know of who makes stretch goals the right to buy additional products from them.... "With this new Stretch Goal at 50K we'll create another supplement you can buy from us!"

Makes sense for a smaller company to operate that way.

Quote from: Lurtch;1063421Makes sense for a smaller company to operate that way.

I don't really consider Onyx Path to be a "Smaller" company compared to things like Pinnacle, John Wick (Though admittedly JW did have the run away success of the 7th Sea Kickstarter) Evil Hat, and Cam Banks.... I'd say they're probably all around even, with Onyx Path being bigger than some of the others I just mentioned too.

Edit:
Just as an example.... For 25 bucks in Savage Worlds current kickstarter of a new edition... you get everything in PDF that's been unlocked so far via stretch goals.... You're going to get the new book, the world builders guide, the fiction anthology, the old weird wars pdfs, Deadlands Noir pdfs, templates of all the power cards and a bunch of other things...

For the Vampire Chicago 5th edition Kickstarter you pay 25$ you get the pdf of the book.... that's it.
Want the older editions of Chicago? We unlocked it as a Stretch Goal.... that you can pay us 7 dollars for to get...

We unlocked another stretch goal, a brand new supplement! You want it? Guess what you can't have it at this level! You want a pdf version? Better cough up another 25$ plus shipping to get a physical version, then we'll give you a pdf supplement of this stretch goal.... Otherwise you wait until it's available at the market..

If anything, yes Onyx Path is much more stingy about their Kickstarters and I don't think it has anything to do with them being smaller... If anything, I think they do it because they know the demand is there. They charge more because they're saying, "It's vampire mother fucker, if you want it, you'll pay for it."

And chances are, I'll likely go in on Vampire Chicago because I *DO* want it... But I recognize Pinnacle is being much more consumer friendly to me.

I agree with Orphan81.  I've backed both, but one of them plainly looks like a better deal than the other.

Elsewhere, I have seen people express concern about the Savage Worlds Kickstarter.  "Can they actually deliver that many pdfs?"  

At $25, the Savage Worlds kickstarter is promising these digital goods.

The core book. (PDF)
The World Builder's Guide. (PDF)

Stretch Goal PDFs

• Combat & Chase Maneuvers Quick Reference Chart
• Mini Setting 1: Abyssal
• Savage Settings of Yesteryear: Evernight
• Mini Setting 2: The Lost City of Astla
• Power and Status cards in PDF
• Wendigo Tales Bundle (Four novels: two each set in two of their worlds)
• Savage Settings of Yesteryear: Tour of Darkness
• Deadlands Noir Bundle (Core rulebook, an e-book novel, and some music)
• Mini-Setting 3: Tesla Rangers
• Explorer issue #1
• Printable power effect templates for tabletop games
• Mini-Setting 3: Spirits of 1786
• Savage Tales of Horror #1
• Savage Worlds Map Pack

Music

• Music to Game With 1
• Music to Game With 2
• Music to Game With 3
• (The Deadlands Noir music mentioned above)

Jumpstarts (third party sample settings & demos)

• Super Genius Games: Strike Force 7 Savaged! (2nd Edition)
• Gun Metal Games: Interface Zero
• Up to Four Players: Crystal Heart
• Aegis Studios: Contagion
• Rocky Mountain Savages: SWAT: Spells, Weapons & Tactics
• GRAmel Books: Beasts & Barbarians
• Evil Beagle Games: Freedom Squadron Recruitment Manual
• Knight Errant Media: Titan Effect RPG for Savage Worlds
• Just Insert Imagination: Winter Eternal--Rise of the Ghost Machines
• Melior Via: Accursed
• High Level Games: Archons of Nikud: Anthropomorphic Heroes in an Age of Tumult
• Happy Monster Press: Legion of Liberty: Superheroes of 1776
• Amora Games: Art of War
• Kyoudai Games: Thunderscape: the World of Aden
• Utherwald Press: Frozen Skies
• Four-in-Hand Games: Steamscapes
• Blackwing Productions: Heroes of Terra
• Tri Tac Legacy & Longshot Productions: Bureau 13: Stalking the Night Fantastic
• Obatron Productions: Tunse'al
• Atomic Ninja Studios: Dead End
• Aegis Studios: Choe Phoe Savage Edition ACE
• Dog House Rules: Trailer Park Shark Attack!
• GG Studio: Hope & Glory
• Fainting Goat Games: The After
• Applied Vectors: Sovereign Stone
• Blessed Machine: Secret Agents of CROSS
• Hardy Tales: Empire of Venom & Silk RPG
• Intellistories: Seven Worlds– A Realistic Science-Fiction Setting
• Savage Mojo: The Suzerain Universe: Home of the ENnie-winning Shanghai Vampocalypse, Shaintar, and many other realms!
• Mutha Oith: Low Life
• Misfit Studios and RPG Objects: Darwin's World, Nuclear Edition
• Triple Ace Games: Hellfrost
• Demon Skunk: Aether Adrift
• BPB Games: Savage Tokusatsu

Others
A generic set of "Virtual Table Top Accessories" to use evidently on any virtual table top we wish.

...and we get to watch some of the cool YouTubers play the game before they send the pdfs to backers.   Can't win 'em all.

I'm also  $25 deep into a PDF of Chicago by Night. That's their digital only tier.

• Chicago by Night PDF
• Chicago Folio.  Quote, "an in-character artifact book compiling diary entries, transcripts, emails, and other treasures to use in the course of a V5 chronicle"
  
• Early looks at the WIP material
• An offer to $7 for some old pdfs of Chicago, if you want. 6 older books divided into three pdf collections

The sample chronicle is pdf only, but goes to physical buyers only.

The sneak peek at setting information and fluffy part is one place where Chicago By Night is coming out ahead.  They get credit for leveraging their signature metaplot into added value.  

The Adventure Edition Kickstarter has also included playtest information with some of their new rules.

Pinnacle went way over the top.  That is a ridiculous amount of material to put in the low tier of a kickstarter bundle.  Yet it's ridiculous in favor of their customers.

Just for fun, too, I poked at the average amount per backer

Savage Worlds Adventure Edition: $101.88 average per backer, as of this writing.   Over $377k total.

Chicago By Night  $63.55 average per backer as of this writing.  $69,715 total.

I'm not going to complain.  There's just a giant contrast going on right now.  Even without what Pinnacle is doing, that pdf thing is weird.  The chronicle/adventure book is pdf only, but absoultely going to anyone who pledged at the digital level.