Can't be bothered to listen to the livestream as my laptop sound works intermittently and copying the link to my phone would take too much effort, but ...

Fanboys can slave away and write RPG material for no real cost, other than time. Print on Demand makes it possible to publish them and DTRPG allows them to be sold, with low margins.

However, commercial companies need to make a profit to pay employees, pay other bills, provide marketing and create boos etc. If a company spends $1,000 on a supplement and gets $200 back, it is in big trouble and cannot continue doing this. I think that's why Kickstarters etc are good for small companies as they provide up-front payment.

Making a big book with good art costs money and fanboys cannot do it. Quite often, small companies cannot do it, either, which is why it is left to the big boys or very big boys.

Quote from: Omega;1071261Making games for profit does two things. It puts some incentive to make a better product, and it puts some incentive to make a product at all.

It doesn't encourage better products. It encourages a minimum amount of combined quality and quantity. A hell of a lot of producers just go all in on quantity. They churn out mounds of shovelware like "d100 female orc names" and "13 badly done pieces of plasticky poser art".

How liberal to equate for profit with capitalism.

Quote from: Xuc Xac;1071318It doesn't encourage better products. It encourages a minimum amount of combined quality and quantity. A hell of a lot of producers just go all in on quantity. They churn out mounds of shovelware like "d100 female orc names" and "13 badly done pieces of plasticky poser art".

God, I hate poser art.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1071537God, I hate poser art.

I hate BAD Poser art. That's the sort of flat and plastic-looking work that comes from people who've been playing with the program for a month or so and think they know what they're doing.

On the other hand, I've seen some truly gorgeous work done by people who use it (or an equivalent) in a more professional capacity and/or have years or even decades at this point of experience with 3D rendering and actually take the time to do post-work on the rendered output.

It's certainly better than whatever the hell was going on with Gnomes and Halflings in the 5e PHB.

Quote from: Chris24601;1071552I hate BAD Poser art. That's the sort of flat and plastic-looking work that comes from people who've been playing with the program for a month or so and think they know what they're doing.

On the other hand, I've seen some truly gorgeous work done by people who use it (or an equivalent) in a more professional capacity and/or have years or even decades at this point of experience with 3D rendering and actually take the time to do post-work on the rendered output.

It's certainly better than whatever the hell was going on with Gnomes and Halflings in the 5e PHB.

Have you got any examples of what you'd consider good poser art? I have never seen such a thing. It all looks plasticy to me.

Quote from: Doom;1071270Gee, how many good RPGs came out of the USSR, PRC, or Cuba?

HAHAHA! Touche'

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1071554Have you got any examples of what you'd consider good poser art? I have never seen such a thing. It all looks plasticy to me.

These were all just grabbed off the first page or two of the Daz3d (one of the better resources for models around) user galleries (sorted by newest uploads). I'm sure I could find better if I dug a bit.







This last one isn't so much composition, but a good example of the sort of shaders and surfaces you can get out of Poser (and equivalent programs) these days.



Basically, Poser is a tool in the same way a brush and canvas is. The skill of the artist makes a LOT of difference in quality of the finished work.

Quote from: soltakss;1071313Can't be bothered to listen to the livestream as my laptop sound works intermittently and copying the link to my phone would take too much effort, but ...

Then you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

Jesus fucking Christ. How many of you have actually bothered to listen to the livestream??!  Because its very clear from some posts here that many of you haven't.

If you haven't, start another thread about the topic. This thread is about the topic and what I had to say about it in my video.  Which, by the way, is more intelligent and resolves a lot of the points so many of you have said in this thread thus far.