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UPGRADING ORCS! Mixing Orc Tribes with the Song Empire!
Shasarak:
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Maybe they would end up something like the Scro?
Spinachcat:
Are orcs in your campaign even capable of much learning?
Pre-WokeWotC, even half-orcs took a severe INT penalty which means full orcs should have a double INT penalty. If the average human INT is 9-11, the half-orc average INT would be 7-9, and the full orc average should be INT 5-7 with the extremely rare INT 14 "genius" orc.
If a race has Low INT (5-7 average), how much could they learn from their slaves and would they even see human slaves as more than meat?
Even if your orcs are super-rapey, are those half-orc babies going to be honored, outcasts or just snacks?
Also, what's the view of the orc gods? Do they want orc blood mingling with human blood? Do they want orcs learning human ways? What are the spiritual implications for the orc race in the eyes of their pantheon?
jhkim:
--- Quote from: Spinachcat on May 24, 2022, 05:21:22 PM ---Are orcs in your campaign even capable of much learning?
Pre-WokeWotC, even half-orcs took a severe INT penalty which means full orcs should have a double INT penalty. If the average human INT is 9-11, the half-orc average INT would be 7-9, and the full orc average should be INT 5-7 with the extremely rare INT 14 "genius" orc.
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In AD&D1, half-orcs had no INT penalty, only a -2 CHA penalty. In AD&D2 and 4E, half-orcs were cut as part of sanitizing. In 3rd edition, they had both -2 INT and -2 CHA. However, full orcs in the 3rd ed Monster Manual still have average INT 9, so they're just as smart as 3E half-orcs. In 5E like AD&D1, there is no INT penalty for half-orcs. The average 5E orc is dumber with INT 7, but the orc war chief has INT 11 and Orogs have INT 12.
In all the editions, orcs seem capable of the same basics of technology as other races. They can build forts, mine iron, and forge steel weapons - and they have their own script for writing. That part roughly matches Tolkien. Orcs were uncivilized, but they were equivalent in technology.
In my campaign, I have that orcs are of similar intelligence, but the main difference is their violent tendencies and poor impulse control.
Pat
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--- Quote from: Shasarak on May 24, 2022, 05:11:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2022, 05:44:58 PM ---Re: UPGRADING ORCS! Mixing Orc Tribes with the Song Empire
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Maybe they would end up something like the Scro?
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More like the Gnos.
Shasarak:
--- Quote from: Pat on May 24, 2022, 08:29:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shasarak on May 24, 2022, 05:11:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2022, 05:44:58 PM ---Re: UPGRADING ORCS! Mixing Orc Tribes with the Song Empire
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Maybe they would end up something like the Scro?
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More like the Gnos.
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The Easterlings.
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