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Jam The MF

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on July 02, 2021, 06:24:10 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 01, 2021, 03:57:20 PMI would agree in that Ernie apologizing accomplished the opposite of what he desired, and so it was a worthless gesture.
Those of us who have seen in-person physical violence will have seen that in a streetfight, whatever happens, do not go to ground. If you fall to the ground, logically you would expect that they leave you alone now because you are no longer a threat. But in fact what happens is that the guy fighting you and five of his mates now circle around you and kick the shit out of you. That's not merely a metaphor, by the way - if a person is kicked enough, they will urinate and defecate all over themselves through their blood. It's nasty.

Now, if the combatant is engaged in the conflict for rational reasons, this won't happen. They wanted to achieve your submission, and that is sufficient. As Clausewitz said, the point of war is to make the enemy do your will. You have submitted and are now going to do his will, all good.

But if the combatant is engaged in the conflict for irrational reasons - such as racism, personal loathing, social justice warriors, etc - then your submission is not sufficient, they want to destroy you utterly.

The rational combatant wants the enemy to do his will. The ideologue wants to machinegun them into a ditch. Thus, any sign of submission is an invitation for them and their mates to circle around and kick you to death.

When dealing with the social justice warrior, do not go to ground. Submission is an invitation to destruction.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2021, 09:25:44 PM
Mistwell is also forgetting that the current narrative isn't just 'don't say stupid shit'.
Yes. And also, what constitutes "stupid shit" changes from time to time. And today's ideological darling is, thanks to people digging back through a decade of social media posts, tomorrow's Problematic Person. 

For the ideologue, submission is never enough. They want destruction.


Fight to the deat*.  Do not go to the ground, and assume it will be over.  Piss on the SJWs.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

HappyDaze

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).

Chris24601

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).
There's also a reason I suggested Indianapolis. The insane SJW violence only thrives where SJW sympathetic government officials hold power and Indiana is so red even my city's Democrat mayor called in SWAT to lob teargas, arrested 100 (and held them over the weekend) and charged 30 of them after the first business window got broken. In the 2020 Governor's race the SJW Dem was almost beaten by the Pro-Life Libertarian while the Republican incumbent walked away with over 50% of the vote.

Basically, if you're going to hold a MAGACon... hold it someplace you can feel safe wearing the red hats openly.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).

You're aware they can also read panphlets or whatever advert you're thinking off no?

If you put the name of the place in the crowdfunding they can just go call, write and be a pest. They have nothing else to do.

They managed to have a place cancel on an event that had the guy that deconverted many KKK members as a speaker because "it was a fascist/white supremacist event". By threatening the place.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying you need someplace the owner agrees with you AND has the balls to stand for his convictions.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Zalman on July 01, 2021, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on June 30, 2021, 09:36:12 PM
Andrew Torba, the founder of Gab, talks extensively about the need for a separate economy and he's working on GabTV as a "new YouTube" although there's already Rumble, Odysee and BitChute as free speech options. Mike Lindell of MyPillow is launching MyStore to create his own Amazon. Right now, MyStore looks like Amazon in its first year and we'll see what happens next.

The problem with "alternative" platforms is that they are still centrally managed. These platforms might be the current friends of free speech, but leadership and ownership change over the years, and content rules change. To wit: look what happened to John Matze. Even Google's original motto was "Don't Be Evil".

There is an answer to this problem worth embracing, which is distributed platforms. Remember when the World Wide Web was all static content and most people were mere consumers online? That was "Web 1.0". Later, we moved to a model of primarily user-generated content and interaction, and called it "Web 2.0".

Next up is Web 3.0 and it's coming. Web3 uses distributed, peer-to-peer applications, not centralized, to achieve the same stuff. In this model there is no "client" and no "server", and thus no one in a position to shut down your site. Think of Bittorrent on steroids. Content is secured by blockchains. And here's the real kicker: because web3 content can be tied to a cryptocurrency, it can effect direct payment as well. No banks, no payment processors.

The alternative video platforms that Spinachcat lists are a good example: most are still centralized. These platforms collect and store and stream your videos for you, and if they decide they don't like you some time in the future, your hard-earned fan base is wiped, and you'd better have a backup of all those videos. Odysee is the exception! While Odysee is still a centralized website, and they could, e.g., cancel your account, Odysee is actually only a portal for normal web browsers into a running, working, distributed application called LBRY, running not on HTTP like web2, but on the Interplanetary File System or IPFS (cool name right?). The content is entirely distributed, safely secured by blockchain, and your "account" and all its content still perfectly accessible, uploadable, etc., via an open-source desktop LBRY client (available for Mac, Linux, Windows).

There are also Distributed Apps (dApps) for file storage, publishing, music, and pretty much everything else. Creating a fundraising dApp is the "hello world" of blockchain contract programming. The IPFS is nascent in its popularity right now, but is definitely the roadmap for the WWW going forward.

Thing is, how easy is it to use for non-techies?  It needs to be something that you can get running in a few clicks with exactly zero technical know-how. Both for the seller and the buyer. And you need peripheral IRL services willing to work with you in defiance of the woke.

For instance, there's already a distributed marketplace, it uses some crypto IIRC, but crypto isn't easy to get into for total noobs. AND, whatever you sell there you still need to be able to produce and deliver.

Integrate alignpay so ppl can buy with their normal plastics. Create a distrubuted DTRPG/Amazon books competitor, we know there's many conservative/libertarian authors.

Create a distributed subscribestar competitor, so content creators can get money from their suporters, with both crypto and alignpay suport.

But anything you do needs to be easy to access for the non-techie.

There already exists an alternate dns but it's too complex for the general public and leaves you out of the regular web https://www.opennic.org/
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ghostmaker

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 04, 2021, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).
There's also a reason I suggested Indianapolis. The insane SJW violence only thrives where SJW sympathetic government officials hold power and Indiana is so red even my city's Democrat mayor called in SWAT to lob teargas, arrested 100 (and held them over the weekend) and charged 30 of them after the first business window got broken. In the 2020 Governor's race the SJW Dem was almost beaten by the Pro-Life Libertarian while the Republican incumbent walked away with over 50% of the vote.

Basically, if you're going to hold a MAGACon... hold it someplace you can feel safe wearing the red hats openly.
I'll be keeping an eye on Indianapolis then. :)

HappyDaze

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).

You're aware they can also read panphlets or whatever advert you're thinking off no?

If you put the name of the place in the crowdfunding they can just go call, write and be a pest. They have nothing else to do.

They managed to have a place cancel on an event that had the guy that deconverted many KKK members as a speaker because "it was a fascist/white supremacist event". By threatening the place.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying you need someplace the owner agrees with you AND has the balls to stand for his convictions.
Sure, they could, but the social media predator-types tend to thrive off of the feedback of having their target play along, much like cats that toy with their prey. Take that out, and many of them will find that they have other things to do that give a faster return on their spite.

Zalman

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
Thing is, how easy is it to use for non-techies?  It needs to be something that you can get running in a few clicks with exactly zero technical know-how. Both for the seller and the buyer. And you need peripheral IRL services willing to work with you in defiance of the woke.
The interface for LBRY is no different than that for YouTube, Rumble, or Bitchute.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
For instance, there's already a distributed marketplace, it uses some crypto IIRC, but crypto isn't easy to get into for total noobs.
Crypto is built into the app, there's nothing you have to do to "use" it. As for crypto being difficult for novices in general, not at all. You sign up at an exchange and buy some with a click. This is exactly why I urge freedom minded folks to take a look, instead of just assuming it's "complex".

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
AND, whatever you sell there you still need to be able to produce and deliver.
Of course you have to produce what you sell. I'm not sure what that has to do with tech.


Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

jeff37923

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).

You're aware they can also read panphlets or whatever advert you're thinking off no?

If you put the name of the place in the crowdfunding they can just go call, write and be a pest. They have nothing else to do.

They managed to have a place cancel on an event that had the guy that deconverted many KKK members as a speaker because "it was a fascist/white supremacist event". By threatening the place.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying you need someplace the owner agrees with you AND has the balls to stand for his convictions.

How about just writing in the contract for the venue that if the venue decides to hold the convention, that they then owe the convention five times the fees paid to the venue?
"Meh."

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Zalman on July 04, 2021, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
Thing is, how easy is it to use for non-techies?  It needs to be something that you can get running in a few clicks with exactly zero technical know-how. Both for the seller and the buyer. And you need peripheral IRL services willing to work with you in defiance of the woke.
The interface for LBRY is no different than that for YouTube, Rumble, or Bitchute.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
For instance, there's already a distributed marketplace, it uses some crypto IIRC, but crypto isn't easy to get into for total noobs.
Crypto is built into the app, there's nothing you have to do to "use" it. As for crypto being difficult for novices in general, not at all. You sign up at an exchange and buy some with a click. This is exactly why I urge freedom minded folks to take a look, instead of just assuming it's "complex".

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
AND, whatever you sell there you still need to be able to produce and deliver.
Of course you have to produce what you sell. I'm not sure what that has to do with tech.

You're focusing too much on LBRY, I'm thinking beyond that, imagine a decentralized DTRPG alternative, you still need the printing and delivering side. Unless you want to sell only e-books.

Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

HappyDaze

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 04, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).

You're aware they can also read panphlets or whatever advert you're thinking off no?

If you put the name of the place in the crowdfunding they can just go call, write and be a pest. They have nothing else to do.

They managed to have a place cancel on an event that had the guy that deconverted many KKK members as a speaker because "it was a fascist/white supremacist event". By threatening the place.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying you need someplace the owner agrees with you AND has the balls to stand for his convictions.

How about just writing in the contract for the venue that if the venue decides to hold the convention, that they then owe the convention five times the fees paid to the venue?
Why would anyone agree to that?

GeekyBugle

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 04, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).

You're aware they can also read panphlets or whatever advert you're thinking off no?

If you put the name of the place in the crowdfunding they can just go call, write and be a pest. They have nothing else to do.

They managed to have a place cancel on an event that had the guy that deconverted many KKK members as a speaker because "it was a fascist/white supremacist event". By threatening the place.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying you need someplace the owner agrees with you AND has the balls to stand for his convictions.

How about just writing in the contract for the venue that if the venue decides to hold the convention, that they then owe the convention five times the fees paid to the venue?

You mean if the venue decides NOT to hold the convention right? Unless myh english is failing me again.

Sure, you can try some way to iron out a contract to prevent shit from happening. But finding someone willing to stand up to the bullies would be better, for several reasons, not the least of those optics:

Others will see it pays not to cave to the mob.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

jeff37923

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on July 04, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 04, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 03, 2021, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker on July 02, 2021, 10:45:18 PMAll talk of alternative or parallel structure is meaningless without a way around the Death Cult's hold over the financial sector.

Absolutely.

The MAGAcon would be allowed to crowdfund on IndieGoGo as that platform seems to be happy to take deplorable's money. That would account for many of the upfront badges.

Online sales of badges would probably be nuked by Visa & PayPal as soon as the word got out.

My choice would be crowdfund as many tickets as necessary to cover all the upfront costs of the con, even if that meant you left only 1/4th of the tix for cold hard cash at the door.

Of course, the tix would be NON-refundable. Why? The Twatterati would brigade IndieGoGo with fake pledges, only to drop them at the end of the campaign. Instead, cash in stays in.

Yes, that creates concerns the MAGAcon event staff are just pocketing the money, and the way to avoid that is to have the hotel / event center locked down so backers can see that the cash is going directly to the hotel ASAP.

What will prevent the hotel/event center from being brigaded and inundated with menacing texts a la "Nice bussines you have there it would be a shame if someone were to accuse you of being an istophobe no?"
Deleting/ignoring texts or advertising the old fashioned way (that is, with something that doesn't display feedback for others to build on).

You're aware they can also read panphlets or whatever advert you're thinking off no?

If you put the name of the place in the crowdfunding they can just go call, write and be a pest. They have nothing else to do.

They managed to have a place cancel on an event that had the guy that deconverted many KKK members as a speaker because "it was a fascist/white supremacist event". By threatening the place.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying you need someplace the owner agrees with you AND has the balls to stand for his convictions.

How about just writing in the contract for the venue that if the venue decides to hold the convention, that they then owe the convention five times the fees paid to the venue?

You mean if the venue decides NOT to hold the convention right? Unless myh english is failing me again.

Sure, you can try some way to iron out a contract to prevent shit from happening. But finding someone willing to stand up to the bullies would be better, for several reasons, not the least of those optics:

Others will see it pays not to cave to the mob.

Yes, I forgot the NOT.
"Meh."

Zalman

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 04:11:11 PM
imagine a decentralized DTRPG alternative, you still need the printing and delivering side. Unless you want to sell only e-books.

I don't know what "decentralized printing" is. Unlike decentralized tech, printing equipment has to be located somewhere other than with the participant ... because if the buyers all have their own printing gear, then selling e-books is decentralized printing.
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Zalman on July 04, 2021, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 04, 2021, 04:11:11 PM
imagine a decentralized DTRPG alternative, you still need the printing and delivering side. Unless you want to sell only e-books.

I don't know what "decentralized printing" is. Unlike decentralized tech, printing equipment has to be located somewhere other than with the participant ... because if the buyers all have their own printing gear, then selling e-books is decentralized printing.

LOL, my point exactly. You can have a decentralized selling point, but the printing and delivering can't be decentralized, so you need to integrate some services by people with enough balls to refuse to bend the knee.

Same goes for other stuff, selling T-Shirts for instance.
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