Think I answered the OPs question on RPG.net, but every time I see someone else mention DC Heroes it makes me mad that Pulsar games screwed the game up so much with Blood of Heroes

That game is ripe for a retro clone, in my opinion. File off the 3rd edition game (DC Heroes RPG) Serial numbers and put it out there in PDF or Print on Demand, keep the old girl alive

I'm still amazed that neither TSR (as was), WOTC or Marvel set the lawyers/dogs on the guys who put the Marvel stuff out as free PDFs (think it was a site called Zans super home that kicked that off), and it looks like Star Frontiers slipped under the radar too. I wonder at what point a game is forgotten enough by the publishers that someone could 'get away' with doing that...

That said, I think BoH dates back to around 2000. Too soon?

I believe Star Frontiers site had an official okay (from TSR I presume back when it still existed) so downloads from it are 100% legal.

On the other hand I never quite understood how the MSH sites survived. But they've been there, out in the open for, what a decade now?  I can't believe the powers that be haven't in all this time been made aware of it so I can only assume there is some tacit agreement there or perhaps, and I am just speculating, if the ownership to the right to the MSH game are unclear (Marvel? WotC, Jeff Grubb?) no one wants get involved as  the game would not be worth the candle.

Quote from: APN;493663Think I answered the OPs question on RPG.net, but every time I see someone else mention DC Heroes it makes me mad that Pulsar games screwed the game up so much with Blood of Heroes

I can only think of one other RPG where the horrible art offended me as much as Blood of Heroes, and that was Icons. I don't know what changes they made to the system, but that book actively made me not want to play the game. A good example of where no art would have been preferable to bad art.

QuoteThat game is ripe for a retro clone, in my opinion. File off the 3rd edition game (DC Heroes RPG) Serial numbers and put it out there in PDF or Print on Demand, keep the old girl alive

I'd certainly like that, it is my second favourite supers rules set of all time, and there's a few innovations I snatched for use with FASERIP.

AD&D 1e
AD&D 2e
Shadowrun
Traveler
Gamma World
Top Secret
Cthulhu
Cthulhu Now
Paranoia
Talislantia
Bushido
Cyberpunk
Rolemaster
HOL
Star Frontiers

Edit - I forgot:
WoD: Vampire
Battletech
Mechwarrior

AD&D 1e & 2e
Traveller classic & Mega
DC Heroes
Call of Cthulhu
Bard Games' Atlantis
Warhammer frp

A bunch of homebrew games

With occasional forays into other games like Paranoia, CP 2020, ars magica, marvel supers, d6 star wars, fasa star trek, chill, time master,  millennium's end, vampire the masquerade,  rifts, hero system ( fantasy,  ninja, champions)

Quote from: TristramEvans;493671I can only think of one other RPG where the horrible art offended me as much as Blood of Heroes, and that was Icons. I don't know what changes they made to the system, but that book actively made me not want to play the game. A good example of where no art would have been preferable to bad art.



I'd certainly like that, it is my second favourite supers rules set of all time, and there's a few innovations I snatched for use with FASERIP.

Yeah, Icons art was love/loathe affair.

If I run/play DC Heroes these days I reach for the 3rd edition game, which was itself a disappointment only because 2nd and 1st editions had boxes crammed with books and stuff. With 3rd you paid more, got less, but generally were happy anyway because the system was by then pretty much spot on.

Well, apart from being unable to make a fork for less than $100k or whatever it was... heh, those gadgetry rules...

Quote from: TristramEvans;493671I can only think of one other RPG where the horrible art offended me as much as Blood of Heroes, and that was Icons. I don't know what changes they made to the system, but that book actively made me not want to play the game. A good example of where no art would have been preferable to bad art.

Yeah, I love ICONS, but the art is wretched. I can do better, and that's about the worst thing I could say about it. At this point, after a year of running it, I've just learned to ignore it.

In the 80s it was mostly D&D and Robotech.  In the 90s it was RIFTS, Call of Cthulhu, Warhammer 1e, TORG, later Shatterzone, and Deadlands, and a bunch of other stuff that obviously doesn't bare as much remembering.

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Let's see... for me it was 80s: AD&D, l'Oeil Noir, Warhammer, Star Wars d6, Rolemaster, Cyberpunk 2020, Shadowrun, In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas in 89.

90s: Vampire and Co., Nephilim, Call of Cthulhu, Rêve de Dragon, Kult, Bloodlust, Hurlements/Chimères, Bitume, Scales, TORG... I'm forgetting right now.

The games I played consistently:

The 80s - Junior High and High School

BD&D - This is where it all started for me
Gamma World 1E
Star Trek (FASA) - We played the SHIT out of this game
Twilight 2000 - Technically we mostly used it in junior high for vehicle combat ala Car Wars
Star Frontiers
AD&D 1E
Paranoia

The 90s - College, Grad School, and Beyond

Call of Cthulhu
Shadowrun 1E
GURPS - The go-to game for my primary group throughout the decade.  Major campaigns included Cyberpunk, Space, Japan, Fantasy.
AD&D 2E - Meh, but I liked Dark Sun and Al-Quadim
Mage - A lot of this
Empire of the Petal Throne


-TGA

Quote from: Benoist;493972Rêve de Dragon.

I loved the premise of that game. The system wasn't really to my taste, but I've used it as an idea-mine for fantasy games since I first encountered it.

Quote from: TristramEvans;494000I loved the premise of that game. The system wasn't really to my taste, but I've used it as an idea-mine for fantasy games since I first encountered it.

It's fantastically evocative, and really original take on the whole role-playing game premise. A bit like Hurlements, in that regard.

In the 80s and 90s, aside from AD&D, I was playing mostly homebrews.

But RPGs I most wanted to play in the mid-late 80s, and eventually did in a group once I moved to new town, were Runequest III and Harnmaster. In fact the group started with RQ III and houseruled in more and more bits of HM over time, though playing in Glorantha.

Even though there are newer editions of both games, I'd say there's something to be said for those two. RQ III is more concise than later editions and still has some of the Golden Age elegance of RQ II. HM 2e/3e IMO simplified HM in ways that aren't quite right, even though 1e did need some fixing. While from what I hear, HM Gold (a different branch of descent from 2e/3e) is significantly more involved than 1e.

I'll put in a good word for Talislanta 2e/3e even though I never bought or played them back in the day.

80's - Homebrews, AD&D, TMNT&OS

90's - GURPS, and a little WOD.