Andy: Luke said I was retarded for not following his sacred gametext. In a totally friendly thread. That about sealed it for me.

For a funnier spin:

Tony actually wins!
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Tony+LB&word2=Luke+Crane

I find it funny that the most offensive people are usually the most sensitive on the internet.  Good times.

Quote from: GunslingerI find it funny that the most offensive people are usually the most sensitive on the internet.  Good times.

So is it Luke, Andy, or folks like Joe and Sett that you don't quite have the balls to take a shot at in the open here? Just fucking say it.

Sett: You call people pathetic and morally weak for not using random monster encounters (as suggested by a game text...hmmmm....). You have no leg to stand on here.

Andy: What Swine ambush bullshit is this? I've seen nothing from you for days that I can recall, but here you are to wave the solidarity flag for Luke all the sudden.

Luke, if you're reading this: Seriously, dude, you're a cock. In fairness, however, BW is tight while Capes grabs its dice and runs screaming into "not a damn RPG anymore" territory, so you know...at least your game's got a GM.


Really, man, you can say that shit here. Give it a try.

Quote from: Christmas ApeSo is it Luke, Andy, or folks like Joe and Sett that you don't quite have the balls to take a shot at in the open here? Just fucking say it.

Yes.  I'll take you one at at a time.  I'll start with you.  Take this.

:verkill:

I'm sorry, I just find it funny that people can get so carried away on the internet.  Even me.  I actually find the people I argue with the most I respect more because they are helping to broaden my perspective.  I may not agree with you but venom with no contact is rather pointless.

QuoteSett: You call people pathetic and morally weak for not using random monster encounters (as suggested by a game text...hmmmm....). You have no leg to stand on here.

Luke, if you're reading this: Seriously, dude, you're a cock. In fairness, however, BW is tight while Capes grabs its dice and runs screaming into "not a damn RPG anymore" territory, so you know...at least your game's got a GM.

You, I´m the bad judgemental guy. And who says that YOU, BY JUDGING ME!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rollbarf:

Quote from: Andy KWhat, is that going back to that thread kerfluffle where y'all shat in his mouth about his boastful con thread, because a bunch of dicks thought they could "gangrape style" badmouth the Forgie of the Week behind their back; and when he finally showed up to defend himself by slinging the same filth back at you, y'all turned tail and screamed "OMG!  What a dick! How unprofessional!!!"?

That was one of the funniest threads here, mate. Comedy Gold. I'd give it a Hypocrisy Rating of 9/10, and I agree with other fellow posters: people should be to receive it as well they dish it out. It was clearly patent that that's not the case with some posters here.

I do indeed, Prussian! I stand in judgement over your judgement of Luke being judgemental regarding your use of your judgement about Burning Empires .

You may have to excuse me, I've been posting with the aid of my good friend gin.

Quotedo indeed, Prussian! I stand in judgement over your judgement of Luke being judgemental regarding your use of your judgement about Burning Empires .

As long as you are judging me and others, and attack my judgement, then we have discussion.
The moment you or anybody denounces judgement as a whole, we have stupidity.

So, you are saying: Settembrini´s judgement is wrong, because of X.

That´s all good ground for discussion.

Quote from: Koltarno GM?

That actually happens?

Yep.  And it's fun too!  But I agree that the specific "This is how it was fun this particular time" does probably belong in Actual Play.  Maybe I should dig up one of my old Capes AP threads (where I've already done the work of writing it up ... 'cuz I'm lazy! ) and post it in the right place.

Interesting AP thread< thanks for posting it.  I'll probably have some questions when I have more time to digest it.

Not sure I see it as spam by the way, it's in the wrong forum but that's hardly a capital offence.

Great thread title, love that.

Quote from: Christmas ApeAndy: What Swine ambush bullshit is this? I've seen nothing from you for days that I can recall, but here you are to wave the solidarity flag for Luke all the sudden.

It's not like we all receive radio transmissions, then form phalanxes on the internet to defend each other.  Luke's just a friend, that's all. No swine agenda, no Forgie revolution, just a buddy I like to meet every now and then for curry or tacos, to talk about life and Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

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But still, going back to the original point and all, what was the "deterministic thing"?  I was kinda rolling that around last night, and the only thing *I* could think of was this:

If you max out on social skills, if you get into a Duel of Wits, even though there's all those manuvers and stuff, the higher skilled person will tend to still win a lot, even without playing up those manuvers.  Save can be said of combat skills and combat scripting to a degree.  

Much less so than, say, The Riddle of Steel, where you need a lot of in-player experience with the combat system (like chess), but manipulating it successfully, and a little luck of the dice, a bad swordsman making good tactical decisions can overrun an excellent swordsman making bad tactical decisions.

Is that what was meant by "deterministic"?  Or something else? (the way the game falls into scenes/etc?).  I'd really like to hear from the OP.

-Andy

QuoteIt's not like we all receive radio transmissions, then form phalanxes on the internet to defend each other.

Oh, I thougt "Storygames" did that for you.

Y'know what, if we had a separate forum for people to:

• Talk about how other people post, and how it's not cool
• Accuse people of lying about their reasons for posting
• Discuss the conspiracies and alliances that prompt people to post
• Defend their posts and the posts of others
• Etc....

... then maybe this sort of stuff wouldn't infect posts about playing RPGs.  Seems to me that the whole "Who posts what about whom and why?" discussions are a separate hobby that just happens to intertwine with (and sometimes strangle) substantive discussion.

EDIT:  Just to make clear ... a hobby that I whole-heartedly engage in, on many occasions!  Fun, fun, hobby ... but not the same as discussing RPGs.

Hah, well said.  Yeah... now I feel weird about my Luke bit.  

But still, the question remains, "What's the deterministic/bad thing about Burning Empires?(Burning Wheel?)"

A Two Men Enter, One Man Leave forum would rock.

-Andy

Okay, Tony, you are right with this one, I´ll leave you folks alone in this one as an example.
Be productive!
I´ll be lurking.