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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2021, 12:09:53 PM »
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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2021, 08:32:19 PM »
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honestly surprised afrofuturist game didn't hit first, movement has the larger following

I'm quite sure there are other afrofuturist RPG's out there.
I'm like 88% sure I've seen one.

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coyote and crow people were bitching about how terrible it is that the game was set on earth and didn't give a lick of thought to yt. game creates setting where yt can't exist bc it's a different planet, complaint is now about convenient furries instead of legit-alien aliens. nice

YT? YouTube?
Dunno I have no beef with Coyote and Crew, aside of very probable watering all possible weird preColumbian things down due to evidently PC positions of Coyote makers.

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2021, 10:09:51 PM »
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honestly surprised afrofuturist game didn't hit first, movement has the larger following

I'm quite sure there are other afrofuturist RPG's out there.
I'm like 88% sure I've seen one.
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i bet you're right on both counts, oughta look them up on drivethru when I can. must be the Kickstarter visibility driving the mad
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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2021, 10:22:51 PM »
In all sincerity I have no problem with there being afrofuturist RPG games, or any other special niche game. The problem boils down to two things:

1. Almost all of these products are weak, appearing on the scene with big red flags. I've done Kickstarters before and we usually prepared for months before launching, and even with that the first question we always got was why our product wasn't more developed. A game whose premise is basically White People Indulgences is grifter bait and this creates a bad set of incentives.

2. The games themselves are mostly embedded bad faith narrative. That's actually not necessarily true. It's entirely possible what we're seeing could be entirely good faith and just about creating something cool and positive -- But is it really? Looking at the actors involved I don't get the impression that this is a good faith effort.
When the underlying presumption at work is White people are bad and things they've created are bad, that's just not something that ought to be supported.
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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2021, 02:17:36 AM »
I'm not quite sure what is the issue with this.

It's creating something new, not trying to take over something that already exists.

It has to live or die on it's own merits.  So let it.

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2021, 02:19:26 AM »
In all sincerity I have no problem with there being afrofuturist RPG games, or any other special niche game. The problem boils down to two things:

1. Almost all of these products are weak, appearing on the scene with big red flags. I've done Kickstarters before and we usually prepared for months before launching, and even with that the first question we always got was why our product wasn't more developed. A game whose premise is basically White People Indulgences is grifter bait and this creates a bad set of incentives.

2. The games themselves are mostly embedded bad faith narrative. That's actually not necessarily true. It's entirely possible what we're seeing could be entirely good faith and just about creating something cool and positive -- But is it really? Looking at the actors involved I don't get the impression that this is a good faith effort.
When the underlying presumption at work is White people are bad and things they've created are bad, that's just not something that ought to be supported.

That succinctly encapsulates my concerns, as well.

I'm all for both afrofuturist settings and more opportunities for Black creators in the TTRPG space, but this... man, it's hard to shake the feeling of grift or opportunism with this one.

But hey, more power.

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2021, 03:22:59 AM »
I'd say so far it's more playing "POC good" card than "Wypipo bad" card, but yeah there's a lot of virtue signalling there to fund those RPGs
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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2021, 03:28:08 PM »
Honestly this does seem to have some neat ideas.  I might read it when it comes out, though I won't back it.

Seeing this reminds me of an Alternate History scenario that I would love to see explored but probably never will:  What if Mansa Abu Bakr II's exploratory fleet had discovered South America 200 years before Columbus?

Sadly I don't think we'll ever see that.  Depicting People of Color colonizing each other isn't allowed.

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2021, 11:05:43 AM »
Honestly this does seem to have some neat ideas.  I might read it when it comes out, though I won't back it.

Seeing this reminds me of an Alternate History scenario that I would love to see explored but probably never will:  What if Mansa Abu Bakr II's exploratory fleet had discovered South America 200 years before Columbus?

Sadly I don't think we'll ever see that.  Depicting People of Color colonizing each other isn't allowed.

It's an interesting idea but virtually impossible with the kind of ships they had. The most that could have happened was for them to land somewhere and try to eek out a living. No back and forth travel.

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2021, 12:55:56 PM »
I'm not quite sure what is the issue with this.

It's creating something new, not trying to take over something that already exists.

It has to live or die on it's own merits.  So let it.

This is a fair point. I suppose it does have to do with an individuals point of view and assuming a content creators motives.

For me though, when I read the "What is this RPG" intro it says this. "Journey into a brighter, blacker future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of POC RPG designers."

It's been hammered by social media that words matter. So what is this intro mean? Should I just take it as it is? Are there any read between the lines type of thing?

I can accept the statement as is, okay. What if someone said "Journey into a brighter, better future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of Caucasian RPG designers."

Is one word more inflammatory than another?

I'll admit the fault could lie with me.
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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2021, 01:23:24 PM »
I'm not quite sure what is the issue with this.

It's creating something new, not trying to take over something that already exists.

It has to live or die on it's own merits.  So let it.

This is a fair point. I suppose it does have to do with an individuals point of view and assuming a content creators motives.

For me though, when I read the "What is this RPG" intro it says this. "Journey into a brighter, blacker future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of POC RPG designers."

It's been hammered by social media that words matter. So what is this intro mean? Should I just take it as it is? Are there any read between the lines type of thing?

I can accept the statement as is, okay. What if someone said "Journey into a brighter, better future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of Caucasian RPG designers."

Is one word more inflammatory than another?

I'll admit the fault could lie with me.

Racial, sexual discrimination and segregation is A-Okay when THEY do it.

For my part, as a mixed race mongrel married to another mixed race mongrel and father of a mixed race mongrel, I have exactly zero interest in playing Myfarog or the counterpart produced by POC (how I hate that term, where's the difference between it and Colored People?).

In my eyes both games are by racists, for racists.
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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2021, 02:16:09 PM »
I'm not quite sure what is the issue with this.

It's creating something new, not trying to take over something that already exists.

It has to live or die on it's own merits.  So let it.

This is a fair point. I suppose it does have to do with an individuals point of view and assuming a content creators motives.

For me though, when I read the "What is this RPG" intro it says this. "Journey into a brighter, blacker future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of POC RPG designers."

It's been hammered by social media that words matter. So what is this intro mean? Should I just take it as it is? Are there any read between the lines type of thing?

I can accept the statement as is, okay. What if someone said "Journey into a brighter, better future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of Caucasian RPG designers."

Is one word more inflammatory than another?

I'll admit the fault could lie with me.

Racial, sexual discrimination and segregation is A-Okay when THEY do it.

For my part, as a mixed race mongrel married to another mixed race mongrel and father of a mixed race mongrel, I have exactly zero interest in playing Myfarog or the counterpart produced by POC (how I hate that term, where's the difference between it and Colored People?).

In my eyes both games are by racists, for racists.

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Pick your ass up, move to someplace with real people living there. Eat at a local restaurant. Create real relationships with actual normal people--not fucking "Community Activists" or grifting college professors, and the like.

I often think that so much of the SJW consciousness and social and political ideology is so divorced from reality. It's so detached by a margin of oceans from how normal people think, speak, and relate to each other.

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2021, 02:29:37 PM »
I'm not quite sure what is the issue with this.

It's creating something new, not trying to take over something that already exists.

It has to live or die on it's own merits.  So let it.

This is a fair point. I suppose it does have to do with an individuals point of view and assuming a content creators motives.

For me though, when I read the "What is this RPG" intro it says this. "Journey into a brighter, blacker future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of POC RPG designers."

It's been hammered by social media that words matter. So what is this intro mean? Should I just take it as it is? Are there any read between the lines type of thing?

I can accept the statement as is, okay. What if someone said "Journey into a brighter, better future with Into the Mother Lands, a brand-new sci-fi odyssey role-playing game, developed by a fantastic team of Caucasian RPG designers."

Is one word more inflammatory than another?

I'll admit the fault could lie with me.

Racial, sexual discrimination and segregation is A-Okay when THEY do it.

For my part, as a mixed race mongrel married to another mixed race mongrel and father of a mixed race mongrel, I have exactly zero interest in playing Myfarog or the counterpart produced by POC (how I hate that term, where's the difference between it and Colored People?).

In my eyes both games are by racists, for racists.

Greetings!

Ahh, Geeky, I love it. Your straight-shooting, brutal sense of humour has e laughing every time, Hermano. I sincerely wish far more people had simple common sense about these kinds of things, and just had a reasonable perspective--a real perspective, based on real people, real food, real experiences, and real relationships. I so often get the sense that people form their social and political views based upon the jello they have been swallowing from a college class, or a book.

Pick your ass up, move to someplace with real people living there. Eat at a local restaurant. Create real relationships with actual normal people--not fucking "Community Activists" or grifting college professors, and the like.

I often think that so much of the SJW consciousness and social and political ideology is so divorced from reality. It's so detached by a margin of oceans from how normal people think, speak, and relate to each other.

Geesus. I miss me some hand-made tortillas, my friend! Some fresh-made chicken enchiladas, good beans and all the good things. And then a fine cigar to enjoy afterwards.

All of the fucking Marxist, racist troglodytes can gargle gasoline.

Semper Fidelis,

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Hand-Made tortillas... Like the ones my grandma, and her sisters-in-law used to do back in Yucatan and Campeche... Cooked on a comal over an open fire made with wood. Using the tortillas as the spoon to eat some fried eggs so fresh they were still warm from the chicken sitting on them and black beans, black coffe with no sugar (except for the visits they were THAT poor and good ppl).

You could feel the love sitting around to eat with them my friend.

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2021, 02:40:46 PM »
POC (how I hate that term, where's the difference between it and Colored People?).

Pseudo off-topic.

This ones easy. Newspeak. Replace the old term with new buzzword and make everyone goosestep to the new normal.

70s replaced 50s Black with something like Coloured People?, 90s replaced that with African American or somesuch because coloured people was offfensive. 2010 we have People Of Colour because African American is problematic now or who knows that they hallucinate.

Keep in mind too they were early on for a time going after weird stuff like Spook because somehow that refers to black people. Scrub everything. RPGs get the brunt of this currently because its an easy target, several publishers either had already bent knee, or in cases like WOTC, were already infiltrated or taken over by the 90s iterations.

As for the game in question. As noted before. Seems like its trying to kick into motion outrage marketing by being as offensive as it can get away with. My irk is as always that these things just make life worse for whomever they are supposedly 'representing' or 'championing' for. Crocodile tears. (Or they represent that knot hatemongering that seems to fester in every fandom, faction, interest, whatever. )

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Re: To go along with Coyote and Crow you can now back.....
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2021, 03:10:42 PM »
POC (how I hate that term, where's the difference between it and Colored People?).

Pseudo off-topic.

This ones easy. Newspeak. Replace the old term with new buzzword and make everyone goosestep to the new normal.

70s replaced 50s Black with something like Coloured People?, 90s replaced that with African American or somesuch because coloured people was offfensive. 2010 we have People Of Colour because African American is problematic now or who knows that they hallucinate.

Keep in mind too they were early on for a time going after weird stuff like Spook because somehow that refers to black people. Scrub everything. RPGs get the brunt of this currently because its an easy target, several publishers either had already bent knee, or in cases like WOTC, were already infiltrated or taken over by the 90s iterations.

As for the game in question. As noted before. Seems like its trying to kick into motion outrage marketing by being as offensive as it can get away with. My irk is as always that these things just make life worse for whomever they are supposedly 'representing' or 'championing' for. Crocodile tears. (Or they represent that knot hatemongering that seems to fester in every fandom, faction, interest, whatever. )

And we have the term Orient/Oriental, which was deemed racist. What has replaced it? East Asian. What did the Orient mean? Oh, don't you know it, east Asia...