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Author Topic: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really  (Read 3163 times)

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #135 on: October 18, 2020, 06:00:49 AM »
Who cares about the values of the company that created said item?

A number of people frequenting this forum apparently. :)

I mean how does it hurt anyone that another company's values creates such a game?

Funny I always felt that bigots (ie Evil Hat and their exclusionary thinking) shouldn't be encouraged, perhaps you feel differently.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2020, 06:03:41 AM by ponta1010 »

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #136 on: October 18, 2020, 06:39:22 AM »
It's worthwhile to note the SJW freakshow crowd ponied up $60k so far.

Clearly there's a paying audience, though it might be an already existing Twitter audience that's been cultivated by Hicks, the artist and the author.

Why is this an issue for you all?

Because of this part:

"This game is not for fascists, TERFs, or other bigots. The team behind Thirsty Sword Lesbians supports racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation. We love and respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and women. This game is a joyous celebration of lives and identities otherwise marginalized. If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people."

Anyone is free to make anything they like. Want to make the Pygmy RPG and only sell it to pygmies? Sure, go for it. But when the publisher promotes their game by shitting on potential customers???

It's not even a game that welcomes all women or all lesbians. Muff diving and flannel ain't enough credentials for the Evil Asshat crew. Any conservative lesbians and lesbians who a pro-women (instead of cheering dudes with boobs) aren't welcome.

Do we really want identity politics championed in the hobby?

And before you make any bitch noise about this "bothering me", I've given up on the hobby as something that brings people together. Nope, everyone to your tribe and only your tribe sits at your table.

As I've said before, all I need for my "RPG hobby" to exist 3-5 nightmarish deplorables who want to play twice a month. Considering my gaming crew blew off CoronaChan and kept tossing dice, I'm pretty sure "fascists, TERFs and other bigots" will be pretty easy to recruit into the future.

Well if you have a problem with the idea that a game is not for fascists, then that is your problem. If you choose to provide comfort to fascist beliefs then you got to reconcile that on your own. Don't blame an independent RPG for that.

Its not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

If you have comforting ideas towards fascists then you are going to have to pay the price for it. If it means being ostracized from real connection from other people because you are an asshole, fascist, Nazi, piece of shit than so be it. You deserve it.

If you are a fascist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.

The issue is I don't trust Evil Hat's (and some others) judgement on who is a fascist.
Well the first step to determining who is fascist is looking at the actions taken.

Aggressiveness towards an RPG just because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is a pretty obvious clue.

That's not even close to fascism, or why people think the intro is shit. But thanks for playing.
So what is right then?

What is your absolute best case scenario with regards to this situation?

Evil Hat makes his stupid statements about his assinine game, we all laugh at him and go about our day.
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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #137 on: October 18, 2020, 08:14:34 AM »
It's worthwhile to note the SJW freakshow crowd ponied up $60k so far.

Clearly there's a paying audience, though it might be an already existing Twitter audience that's been cultivated by Hicks, the artist and the author.

Why is this an issue for you all?

Because of this part:

"This game is not for fascists, TERFs, or other bigots. The team behind Thirsty Sword Lesbians supports racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation. We love and respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and women. This game is a joyous celebration of lives and identities otherwise marginalized. If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people."

Anyone is free to make anything they like. Want to make the Pygmy RPG and only sell it to pygmies? Sure, go for it. But when the publisher promotes their game by shitting on potential customers???

It's not even a game that welcomes all women or all lesbians. Muff diving and flannel ain't enough credentials for the Evil Asshat crew. Any conservative lesbians and lesbians who a pro-women (instead of cheering dudes with boobs) aren't welcome.

Do we really want identity politics championed in the hobby?

And before you make any bitch noise about this "bothering me", I've given up on the hobby as something that brings people together. Nope, everyone to your tribe and only your tribe sits at your table.

As I've said before, all I need for my "RPG hobby" to exist 3-5 nightmarish deplorables who want to play twice a month. Considering my gaming crew blew off CoronaChan and kept tossing dice, I'm pretty sure "fascists, TERFs and other bigots" will be pretty easy to recruit into the future.

Well if you have a problem with the idea that a game is not for fascists, then that is your problem. If you choose to provide comfort to fascist beliefs then you got to reconcile that on your own. Don't blame an independent RPG for that.

Its not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

If you have comforting ideas towards fascists then you are going to have to pay the price for it. If it means being ostracized from real connection from other people because you are an asshole, fascist, Nazi, piece of shit than so be it. You deserve it.

If you are a fascist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.

The issue here is that fascist has been thrown around so cavalierly that I don't trust people to make an objective assessment of it. Particularly not those who define fascism as "people slightly right of current neo-liberal figurehead of the week". Your attitude right here is exactly why many of us have a problem with the authors of this game and it's supporters. You've come in here half cocked talking out your ass about "muh NATZHEES!", threatening to boot people from the hobby at your discretion. Who the fuck are you and why should anyone trust your judgment about anything?

You aren't the fucking gate keeper of anything. People of whatever political stripe can play any game they like and you can get right the fuck over it. If I want to go dig up a local Klan chapter and convince them to play this game solely as a pisstake on the authors there literally isn't a goddamned thing you can do about it.

You need to understand something, your pearl clutching moral outrage does not equate to authority.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2020, 08:22:35 AM by Arkansan »

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #138 on: October 18, 2020, 08:36:55 AM »

Who cares about the values of the company that created said item?

I mean how does it hurt anyone that another company's values creates such a game?

I hear what you're saying.
 
I mean how DARE someone try to force a company to do something in defiance of their core values.
 
Just look at what those terrible evil nasty Fasciststm tried to do to that poor wedding cake shop in Colorado.
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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #139 on: October 18, 2020, 11:04:39 AM »

Well if you have a problem with the idea that a game is not for communists, then that is your problem. If you choose to provide comfort to communist beliefs then you got to reconcile that on your own. Don't blame independent forum posters for that.

Its not about identity politics. It is about communists have ZERO place in our society.

If you have comforting ideas towards communists then you are going to have to pay the price for it. If it means being ostracized from real connection from other people because you are an asshole, communist, Marxist, piece of shit than so be it. You deserve it.

If you are a communist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #140 on: October 18, 2020, 11:12:29 AM »
Thanks for outing yourself fixable.  Glad to know your a unfixable piece of fascist shit that I can safely ignore.

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #141 on: October 18, 2020, 11:13:56 AM »


Well if you have a problem with the idea that a game is not for fascists, then that is your problem. If you choose to provide comfort to fascist beliefs then you got to reconcile that on your own. Don't blame an independent RPG for that.

Its not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

If you have comforting ideas towards fascists then you are going to have to pay the price for it. If it means being ostracized from real connection from other people because you are an asshole, fascist, Nazi, piece of shit than so be it. You deserve it.

If you are a fascist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.

Funny how the more regressive and repressive Woke SJW like to act the same if not even more Fascist than actual Fascist.

First get educated and learn what an actual Fascist and what Fascism truly means. And no it's not someone who has a different opinion than your own. Learn from actual history not the kind from a very approved narrative encouraging list. An actual book on Nazi  Germany or Francisco Franco then you will actual learn and know what true Fascism. Why bother as you seem to just want to push a carefully constructed personal narrative that you are never in the wrong and anyone and everyone who disagrees with you as an evil Fascist.

 I could care less about an author includes in an rpg. Evil Hat could write one where all players must self-identify as pieces of shit. I do take issue with an rpg company that should know better trolling, virtue, gender signalling and being woke as can be. This is the same company that called HP Lovecraft an evil racist yet still used his work to promote and make an rpg because if they did their own. Without Lovecraft name attached to it it would not sell. Fred Hicks claim money is the root of all evil and then keeps using other people money to publish his products. Why you want to die on a hill for such a hypocritical company is beyond me.

As for kicking anyone out of the hobby good luck. You SJWs are so used to getting your way through online forums that reality will be a shock to you. Do you think your simply going to walk or join someone else campaign and then start making demands and ultimatums threatening to thrown gamers out of the hobby. Good luck with that as your thrown out of person home or booted from an online campaign.

Your another poster pretending to be naive and disingenuous like Mistwell. You knew full well this forum would not be in favor or support Evil hat product. You pretended to be stupid and just wanting an excuse to once again push the narrative at how evil this place.

If you don't like it go back to TBP and stay there.

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« Reply #142 on: October 18, 2020, 11:16:50 AM »
Thanks for outing yourself fixable.  Glad to know your a unfixable piece of fascist shit that I can safely ignore.

Mistwell and Fixable are not really interested in having a discussion of any kind. It's simply to metaphorically wag fingers say that the rpgsite is evil and to push carefully constructed personal narratives. Anyhing and everything that goes against said narrative is to be summarily ignored.

I figured that out from the start. Woke repressive, regressive SJWs have a way of starting a conversation where you and I and anyone else who has a difference of opinion is always in the wrong. We never said don't publish the rpg. Just that speaking for myself I will not support any rpg from a company that needs to always attach a woke SJW manifesto to every rpg. I used to game and be friends wirh someone like Fixable who started normal drank the SJW kool-aid an made myself and anyone who disagreed with him the enemy. For example they just changed the main actress from Batgirl from white to a POC and when myself and another gaming friend pointed out it was a race swap he accused us and the fans that disagreed with the change as being racist and misogynist. The other friend who is more liberal than myself just cut him from his life and I followed shortly after. As everytime we disagreed with his position we were (insert word)ists. It's pretty bad when even the Trump hating firmly on the Left in terms of political spectrum Liberal gets fed up of a person Woke SJw politics.
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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #143 on: October 18, 2020, 11:18:51 AM »
The point is probably lost on anyone too unbelievably, shockingly stupid to realize that "aggressive towards queers" doesn't come remotely close to an acceptable, working definition for fascism (hint: I'd look closer at the retards that decided fascism is okay if you put the word "anti" in front of it).

So let's try this one:

Well if you have a problem with the idea that a game is not for SJWs, then that is your problem. If you choose to provide comfort to SJW beliefs then you got to reconcile that on your own. Don't blame independent forum posters for that.

Its not about identity politics. It is about SJWs have ZERO place in our society.

If you have comforting ideas towards SJWs then you are going to have to pay the price for it. If it means being ostracized from real connection from other people because you are an asshole, SJW, woke, left wing extremest, piece of shit than so be it. You deserve it.

If you are a SJW, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.
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« Reply #144 on: October 18, 2020, 11:25:28 AM »
I'm still wondering where hating those who are gay or LBQT even factors into the discussion. Speaking for myself I just dislike any company that feels the need to have a virtue, gender signalling woke manifesto included on every rpg.

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« Reply #145 on: October 18, 2020, 12:03:17 PM »
Naw I am hating on the game because it is woke garbage, has no reason to exist, and made by a company known for being scum.

Still love my gay family members.

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« Reply #146 on: October 18, 2020, 12:07:49 PM »
Naw I am hating on the game because it is woke garbage, has no reason to exist, and made by a company known for being scum.

Still love my gay family members.

Exactly and seconded. While I don't have any gay family members I do have some as friends/ I dislike it for the same reasons. To be called fascist by posters who should no better and who have proven themselves to be clueless about actual fascists goes to show they had no interest in actually debating anything. It's censorship "STFU and like the product" pretty much.

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« Reply #147 on: October 18, 2020, 12:13:04 PM »
Also would it kill them to make the women at least fit.  Something tells me if they walk ten feet they will suffer a heart attack.

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« Reply #148 on: October 18, 2020, 12:29:31 PM »
Also would it kill them to make the women at least fit.  Something tells me if they walk ten feet they will suffer a heart attack.

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« Reply #149 on: October 18, 2020, 01:29:28 PM »
Who cares about the values of the company that created said item?

I mean how does it hurt anyone that another company's values creates such a game?
Oh wait, suddenly we shouldn’t care about other people’s values? I think it was the makers of Thirsty Sword Lesbians who were shaming and rejecting people for their beliefs.

I wonder how many people would get upset if some right wingers made a game and explicitly said that socialists and SJW’s weren’t welcome in the role playing hobby - a lot I would imagine.

I mean, how does it hurt anyone if fascists* are playing rope playing games?


* Not that “fascist” really even means anything in this context aside from someone who disagrees with the extreme leftism of those using the word.