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There will not be a Gurps 5th Edition

Started by Aglondir, April 23, 2021, 02:12:27 AM

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matt swain

So just decide what you think about gurps needs improving and do it, submit it to forums like this and get reviews, feedback, etc. Don't wait for a fix that may never come, fix it yourself. if a few good gamers put their heads together they can do as well as a game company, those people who work at game companies are people just like us, after all.
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GeekyBugle

Quote from: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 07:19:01 PM
So just decide what you think about gurps needs improving and do it, submit it to forums like this and get reviews, feedback, etc. Don't wait for a fix that may never come, fix it yourself. if a few good gamers put their heads together they can do as well as a game company, those people who work at game companies are people just like us, after all.

Yeah, then publish it as GURPS and see what happens...

Or go to the trouble of making an SRD that's bullet proof from a legal standpoint... For free...
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Pat

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
Quote from: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 07:19:01 PM
So just decide what you think about gurps needs improving and do it, submit it to forums like this and get reviews, feedback, etc. Don't wait for a fix that may never come, fix it yourself. if a few good gamers put their heads together they can do as well as a game company, those people who work at game companies are people just like us, after all.

Yeah, then publish it as GURPS and see what happens...

Or go to the trouble of making an SRD that's bullet proof from a legal standpoint... For free...
Even if you make it bulletproof, they'll still sue. It's not just losing a lawsuit you have to worry about, litigation itself has a high cost, regardless of who wins.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Pat on April 25, 2021, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
Quote from: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 07:19:01 PM
So just decide what you think about gurps needs improving and do it, submit it to forums like this and get reviews, feedback, etc. Don't wait for a fix that may never come, fix it yourself. if a few good gamers put their heads together they can do as well as a game company, those people who work at game companies are people just like us, after all.

Yeah, then publish it as GURPS and see what happens...

Or go to the trouble of making an SRD that's bullet proof from a legal standpoint... For free...
Even if you make it bulletproof, they'll still sue. It's not just losing a lawsuit you have to worry about, litigation itself has a high cost, regardless of who wins.

Exactly, so by just sending you a C&D letter you better comply unless you have the money to throw away to go to court.

Which is why I stick to the OGL systems, and this is why HERO with their BS licence to work for them doesn't attract me in the least.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Abraxus

Here the thing though I do not buy an rpg to then simply houserule into something I like. Why am I buying Gurps in the first place if I am putting more work into fixing it then actually using it. "House rule what you do not like" is an excuse to excuse bad rule design by the authors imo and to a certain extent the fans.

This Guy

Quote from: sureshot on April 25, 2021, 09:38:17 PM
Here the thing though I do not buy an rpg to then simply houserule into something I like. Why am I buying Gurps in the first place if I am putting more work into fixing it then actually using it. "House rule what you do not like" is an excuse to excuse bad rule design by the authors imo and to a certain extent the fans.

Cause I know better than them and just want to write my own shit anyway, so why wouldn't I houserule it.
I don\'t want to play with you.

David Johansen

I think the real obstacle to a fan replacement for GURPS along the lines of Cephus Engine is that everyone values different things.  GURPS is a really big tent and I've seldom seen fans agree on where it should go.  I've started writing a replacement a number of times at least once or twice on therpgsite's design forum and a couple times elsewhere.
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Pat

The other obstacle is GURPS Lite exists, and it's free. Why recreate something you can print off and use?

Aglondir

Quote from: David Johansen on April 25, 2021, 04:35:48 PM
No, GURPS lite is full on GURPS, it's actually a really dense book.
Correct. It's basically Gurps Less, the same rules as the core just less of them. But the real problem with Gurps Lite is there are no spells in it, even though "magic" is referenced several times. Gurps Lite 3E managed to squeeze in a few spells, and it's 32 pages just like Gurps Lite 4E.

A "Dungeon Fantasy Lite" could capture some 5E players if it was done right. What does SJG have to lose at this point? 4E came out almost 17 years ago. There are probably fans who would do the work for free.



David Johansen

I've argued the value of some GURPS Lite supplements for years and years.  It's not gonna happen.  There's some fan ones of course but SJG won't do it.
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matt swain

#55
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
Quote from: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 07:19:01 PM
So just decide what you think about gurps needs improving and do it, submit it to forums like this and get reviews, feedback, etc. Don't wait for a fix that may never come, fix it yourself. if a few good gamers put their heads together they can do as well as a game company, those people who work at game companies are people just like us, after all.

Yeah, then publish it as GURPS and see what happens...

Or go to the trouble of making an SRD that's bullet proof from a legal standpoint... For free...

Did i say publish it? Just put in on some general rpg sites and let people read it. if they want to use it fine.

As for evil stevie, he can eat shit and die mad about it. If you're just saying "Well, these are how we play" and not asking for money, fuck him and his C&D letter. It's called free speech.

I mean a long time ago i proposed a modification to the rules in EP 1E. I suggested asyncs were too fragile so i suggested making an async MORE resistant to the exsurgent virus, not less as the rule ssaid because in 1e asyncs were just too fragile. What? Were they gonna sue me?


I met him at a convention once, BTW. The general consensus after he left was "What a pompous asshole." we asked the organizers never to invite him back. They didn't.
RPG.net is a cancer on the left and a disgrace to reasonable progressives that should be denounced and shunned by anyone considering themselves a progressive.

The Witch-King of Tsámra

About the only redeeming quality of Steve Jackson is that he is a Texan but that's not saying much. Oh and some of you have said that it's not possible to get the GURPS 3rd edition and 4e books in print anymore. I just thought y'all might like to know that tons of GURPS 3e and 4e books are available as PoD B&W softcovers from Amazon.com
Playing: Nothing sadly
Running: Tales of Gor, FKR Star Wars, Vampire 4th edition

GeekyBugle

Quote from: matt swain on April 26, 2021, 12:00:16 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
Quote from: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 07:19:01 PM
So just decide what you think about gurps needs improving and do it, submit it to forums like this and get reviews, feedback, etc. Don't wait for a fix that may never come, fix it yourself. if a few good gamers put their heads together they can do as well as a game company, those people who work at game companies are people just like us, after all.

Yeah, then publish it as GURPS and see what happens...

Or go to the trouble of making an SRD that's bullet proof from a legal standpoint... For free...

Did i say publish it? Just put in on some general rpg sites and let people read it. if they want to use it fine.

As for evil stevie, he can eat shit and die mad about it. If you're just saying "Well, these are how we play" and not asking for money, fuck him and his C&D letter. It's called free speech.

I mean a long time ago i proposed a modification to the rules in EP 1E. I suggested asyncs were too fragile so i suggested making an async MORE resistant to the exsurgent virus, not less as the rule ssaid because in 1e asyncs were just too fragile. What? Were they gonna sue me?


I met him at a convention once, BTW. The general consensus after he left was "What a pompous asshole." we asked the organizers never to invite him back. They didn't.

Maybe you don't know about the Open Cthulhu kerfufle, long story short they got sut down by BRP.

As for houseruling GURPS to my liking... Nah, not gonna happen, I've got the OSR, OpenD6, Cepheus Engine and Open Core to play with, and I'm fine with that.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Pat

Quote from: David Johansen on April 25, 2021, 11:42:26 PM
I've argued the value of some GURPS Lite supplements for years and years.  It's not gonna happen.  There's some fan ones of course but SJG won't do it.
Yep. They went in another direction. Which is fine, they can do what they want. And they do have fans. But it doesn't appeal to me much, anymore.

Still have a lot of GURPS books, though.

matt swain

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 26, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: matt swain on April 26, 2021, 12:00:16 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
Quote from: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 07:19:01 PM
So just decide what you think about gurps needs improving and do it, submit it to forums like this and get reviews, feedback, etc. Don't wait for a fix that may never come, fix it yourself. if a few good gamers put their heads together they can do as well as a game company, those people who work at game companies are people just like us, after all.

Yeah, then publish it as GURPS and see what happens...

Or go to the trouble of making an SRD that's bullet proof from a legal standpoint... For free...

Did i say publish it? Just put in on some general rpg sites and let people read it. if they want to use it fine.

As for evil stevie, he can eat shit and die mad about it. If you're just saying "Well, these are how we play" and not asking for money, fuck him and his C&D letter. It's called free speech.

I mean a long time ago i proposed a modification to the rules in EP 1E. I suggested asyncs were too fragile so i suggested making an async MORE resistant to the exsurgent virus, not less as the rule ssaid because in 1e asyncs were just too fragile. What? Were they gonna sue me?


I met him at a convention once, BTW. The general consensus after he left was "What a pompous asshole." we asked the organizers never to invite him back. They didn't.

Maybe you don't know about the Open Cthulhu kerfufle, long story short they got sut down by BRP.

As for houseruling GURPS to my liking... Nah, not gonna happen, I've got the OSR, OpenD6, Cepheus Engine and Open Core to play with, and I'm fine with that.

|most of lovecraft's stuff is PD by now, the reason companies bully a lot of people is few have the guts to tell them to shove their letter and say 'bring it".  In cases like that the companies tend to see it's not a winning proposition.
Npw if they were using the chaosium system that;'s something else.
RPG.net is a cancer on the left and a disgrace to reasonable progressives that should be denounced and shunned by anyone considering themselves a progressive.