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Aglondir:
I'm not going to link to the thread at TBP nor will I quote it. It's the one where Phil Masters (of Steve Jackson Games) got a ban for explaining what the disadvantage "slave mentality" means in Gurps.

In that thread, he basically says there will not be a 5th edition for Gurps, unless the RPG market drastically changes, and the popularity for Gurps increases. It's not really a surprise, but hearing it from Phil makes it real.

What I find hard to believe is why they won't Kickstart it. The diehard fans alone would fund it, assuming it did not have an astronomical funding goal. Throw in a bunch of 4th Edition PDFs as stretch goals and it would skyrocket. The Dungeon Fantasy KS made $176,450 over a $100,000 goal, which isn't a spectacular success but it's a success nonetheless.

As a start, they could simply make a new Gurps Lite, which is something we've wanted since the beginning. Something that could appeal to D&D players who are looking for more realism or grittiness. There's definitely a market there, as evidenced by OSR games that try to do exactly that.

GeekyBugle:

--- Quote from: Aglondir on April 23, 2021, 02:12:27 AM ---I'm not going to link to the thread at TBP nor will I quote it. It's the one where Phil Masters (of Steve Jackson Games) got a ban for explaining what the disadvantage "slave mentality" means in Gurps.

In that thread, he basically says there will not be a 5th edition for Gurps, unless the RPG market drastically changes, and the popularity for Gurps increases. It's not really a surprise, but hearing it from Phil makes it real.

What I find hard to believe is why they won't Kickstart it. The diehard fans alone would fund it, assuming it did not have an astronomical funding goal. Throw in a bunch of 4th Edition PDFs as stretch goals and it would skyrocket. The Dungeon Fantasy KS made $176,450 over a $100,000 goal, which isn't a spectacular success but it's a success nonetheless.

As a start, they could simply make a new Gurps Lite, which is something we've wanted since the beginning. Something that could appeal to D&D players who are looking for more realism or grittiness. There's definitely a market there, as evidenced by OSR games that try to do exactly that.

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Imho, what they need is to take the engine and publish focused games, start with whatever they think it does best, and make a full game, in a single book, They already have lots of source books, but they won't get new players if they have to learn a brick with all it's fiddly bits and own also several other bricks and understand how to put them together to play X.

It's the same issue Hero System has, they stoped making full games and instead publish two massive bricks plus source books. I'm not buying all that shit, and then I would need to understand it enough to put it together.

Why would they need a 5th edition? To simplify things? I doubt it. Full games IMHO.

FingerRod:
I like Phil a lot—and SJ has a brilliant mind for mechanics and building games. I backed TFT, picking up the legendary edition (or whatever it was called) and gifted a second one to my brother. It took around a year to get it, and after, they immediately launched another KS for add on items to further support the system.

I found the way they were bringing it to market annoying, and I don’t want to fill out my SJGs Christmas list each year. I get it..if you can do math and understand the business at all, you can almost guarantee to not lose money with KS. However, they have resources and are an established company. They could have been producing that shit and putting it in their stores.

That said, I hope there is a GURPS 5e. We need talented people to continue to make games. I would also support the idea of full games over a 5e.

David Johansen:
No GURPS 5e has pretty much been the official line for over a decade.  And, you know?  I'm good with that, 4e isn't perfect but 5e won't be either.  I'm sick of the supplement mill.  No new edition is great news.  What chafes me is that support has been dialed back to micro supplements.  Worse still, no world books, has been policy for a long time now.  Oh well little mechanical tidbits can be nice.  There's a lovely space ship crew pdf that's really handy.  Dribs and drabs of vehicles scattered across a thousand pdfs.  Sure you have to sort through the tables of contents for dozens of issues of Pyramid to find some of them.  But I guess focused supplements don't sell as well. They've got the numbers, they know you know?

CookieMonster:
Well, as long as Munchkin is their primary Cashcow. I also got the feeling that gurps is the unloved stepchild of SJG.

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