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"Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« on: November 27, 2021, 06:08:00 AM »
The "Latine" storygamer kickstarter "LATAM Breakout" is actually run by a pair of Englishmen.


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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2021, 09:29:17 AM »
I’m not even surprised anymore. What happened to #OwnVoices?

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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2021, 10:12:06 AM »
Good video. I really like how that user 'keasok' tried to argue with you in the comments. The sjdubs will do anything to justify "their" narrative. But anyone with healthy critical thinking skills (and a healthy bit of mistrust when it comes to business ventures) can see where this is going.
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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2021, 11:02:49 PM »
Yup.
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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2021, 11:11:41 PM »
People will do all sorts of things if you give them incentive.

If you give them incentive to fake their race, they will.
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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2021, 11:12:41 PM »
Fui, fuiste, fue, fueron, I smell the blood of an Englishman.

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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2021, 11:32:08 PM »
Oh, for fuck's sake. Thanks, Pundit, for pointing this out.

The overall setup here is harmless enough - a bunch of kids doing a joint Kickstarter for some niche games that, by themselves, would probably not be marketable. Some of them seem quite talented, and they all probably mean well, and so on - but if they seriously opt for a race-based marketing angle, that's as stupid as it can be. A "RPGLATAM" brand, why not? - But not this way.

The Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking RPG communities do perfectly well, and we have a gaming tradition that is as old as any other non-D&D gaming tradition. Certainly, we don't need some micropublishers from England to pick up "our cause". We need them to sit down, read a few books about the countries and the cultures they're talking about, and then shut the fuck up for the rest of the conversation.

Jesus. I'm not Latino, I'm Spanish - but in this context, this doesn't matter. Challenge, add, and debate all you want - but this borders on wrongfully appropriation. Two English guys want to fix colonialism? - Cool. Go and fix Sudan. Or, Ireland. Seems you have some work left to do, there, before you should think about shit that stinks other people's backyards.

Like, just imagine if a Latin-American publishing house picked ten random, unknown writers and went - "we're representing British gaming culture now, oi".

I repeat, I understand that this is probably not much, and that they probably genuinely mean well, but - boy, oh, boy. They had all this material and THIS was what they came up with as a marketing campaign?!

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Like, guys, I'm still weighing my words here because I'm truly offended by this. This is bigotry in live motion, at the expense of a few kids that probably did some good work on their dream projects. And then the publishers came along and went all, yeaaaah, we need to spice this up...
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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2021, 12:19:51 AM »
The "Latine" storygamer kickstarter "LATAM Breakout" is actually run by a pair of Englishmen.
Cultural appropriation is all. Wouldn't be surprised if the Government is subsidizing it. Like the US GOV is handing out money to movie, game, and comicbook studios.
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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2021, 04:27:22 AM »
Oh, for fuck's sake. Thanks, Pundit, for pointing this out.

The overall setup here is harmless enough - a bunch of kids doing a joint Kickstarter for some niche games that, by themselves, would probably not be marketable. Some of them seem quite talented, and they all probably mean well, and so on - but if they seriously opt for a race-based marketing angle, that's as stupid as it can be. A "RPGLATAM" brand, why not? - But not this way.

The Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking RPG communities do perfectly well, and we have a gaming tradition that is as old as any other non-D&D gaming tradition. Certainly, we don't need some micropublishers from England to pick up "our cause". We need them to sit down, read a few books about the countries and the cultures they're talking about, and then shut the fuck up for the rest of the conversation.

Jesus. I'm not Latino, I'm Spanish - but in this context, this doesn't matter. Challenge, add, and debate all you want - but this borders on wrongfully appropriation. Two English guys want to fix colonialism? - Cool. Go and fix Sudan. Or, Ireland. Seems you have some work left to do, there, before you should think about shit that stinks other people's backyards.

Like, just imagine if a Latin-American publishing house picked ten random, unknown writers and went - "we're representing British gaming culture now, oi".

I repeat, I understand that this is probably not much, and that they probably genuinely mean well, but - boy, oh, boy. They had all this material and THIS was what they came up with as a marketing campaign?!

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Like, guys, I'm still weighing my words here because I'm truly offended by this. This is bigotry in live motion, at the expense of a few kids that probably did some good work on their dream projects. And then the publishers came along and went all, yeaaaah, we need to spice this up...


Quite right! Except based on what we've seen of the social media posts of some of these "kids" (ie. broke leftists millennials) I wouldn't touch their games with a ten foot pole.
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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2021, 06:11:14 PM »
Hehe. I'm inclined to give them a pass, though, if only because they're really "kids" in my eyes, and because the publisher is acting as an enabler of their mistakes here.

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This is an explicitly queer, antifascist and anti-capitalist game about the monstrous and the weird, in any flavor you want, not as something to be feared but to be cherished and protected.

That line (from the KS page) is not just quite simply poorly written; that's the publisher trying to milk those kids' work, to the extreme. Clearly, the company is too afraid to play play the "race card" in LATAM (Star Alliance jokes, did you make one?) without making it clear that they're really just dealing with "Nastassja Bolívar"-kind of revolutionaries, not Simón Bolívar ones. - That's the publisher forcing four writers to own the fifth one's poor messaging, or hurt their own product. Only kids would agree to such a bad trade-off, and that's what makes the publisher(s) look quite amoral, in my eyes. The long play here seems to be to make money on this original idea by someone else. One has to wonder whether that wouldn't have been possible in other ways, looking less like moron grifters.

The tragedy here is, some of those kids display some considerable talent. A responsible publisher would help them grow through with that, not cheapen their work by this kind of marketing. Like, there's one artist associated with the KS, Lino Arruda; holy shit, he's good. As a publisher, telling that kid that he needs to sell his personality to sell his work, that's just plainly unprofessional.

Edit: Sorry, crazy late where I am.
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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2021, 04:12:31 AM »
Unfortunately scam publishers are all too common on Kickstarter and other venues now. Game Salute and especially Golden Bell are two with long records of bad behavior to the point GB was taken to Peoples Court, and lost. Well before that there was Chevalier and his rip-off of the artists and designers for a board game. He got caught and fined in court after taking the money and skippiing out and trying to cover up that he'd used the money do fund his own indie film company.

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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2021, 11:36:05 AM »
Oh, for fuck's sake. Thanks, Pundit, for pointing this out.

The overall setup here is harmless enough - a bunch of kids doing a joint Kickstarter for some niche games that, by themselves, would probably not be marketable. Some of them seem quite talented, and they all probably mean well, and so on - but if they seriously opt for a race-based marketing angle, that's as stupid as it can be. A "RPGLATAM" brand, why not? - But not this way.

The Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking RPG communities do perfectly well, and we have a gaming tradition that is as old as any other non-D&D gaming tradition. Certainly, we don't need some micropublishers from England to pick up "our cause". We need them to sit down, read a few books about the countries and the cultures they're talking about, and then shut the fuck up for the rest of the conversation.

Jesus. I'm not Latino, I'm Spanish - but in this context, this doesn't matter. Challenge, add, and debate all you want - but this borders on wrongfully appropriation. Two English guys want to fix colonialism? - Cool. Go and fix Sudan. Or, Ireland. Seems you have some work left to do, there, before you should think about shit that stinks other people's backyards.

Like, just imagine if a Latin-American publishing house picked ten random, unknown writers and went - "we're representing British gaming culture now, oi".

I repeat, I understand that this is probably not much, and that they probably genuinely mean well, but - boy, oh, boy. They had all this material and THIS was what they came up with as a marketing campaign?!

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Like, guys, I'm still weighing my words here because I'm truly offended by this. This is bigotry in live motion, at the expense of a few kids that probably did some good work on their dream projects. And then the publishers came along and went all, yeaaaah, we need to spice this up...

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Re: "Latine" Storgame Kickstarter Actually Run by Two Englishmen
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2021, 01:15:30 PM »
Oh, for fuck's sake. Thanks, Pundit, for pointing this out.

The overall setup here is harmless enough - a bunch of kids doing a joint Kickstarter for some niche games that, by themselves, would probably not be marketable. Some of them seem quite talented, and they all probably mean well, and so on - but if they seriously opt for a race-based marketing angle, that's as stupid as it can be. A "RPGLATAM" brand, why not? - But not this way.

The Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking RPG communities do perfectly well, and we have a gaming tradition that is as old as any other non-D&D gaming tradition. Certainly, we don't need some micropublishers from England to pick up "our cause". We need them to sit down, read a few books about the countries and the cultures they're talking about, and then shut the fuck up for the rest of the conversation.

Jesus. I'm not Latino, I'm Spanish - but in this context, this doesn't matter. Challenge, add, and debate all you want - but this borders on wrongfully appropriation. Two English guys want to fix colonialism? - Cool. Go and fix Sudan. Or, Ireland. Seems you have some work left to do, there, before you should think about shit that stinks other people's backyards.

Like, just imagine if a Latin-American publishing house picked ten random, unknown writers and went - "we're representing British gaming culture now, oi".

I repeat, I understand that this is probably not much, and that they probably genuinely mean well, but - boy, oh, boy. They had all this material and THIS was what they came up with as a marketing campaign?!

---

Like, guys, I'm still weighing my words here because I'm truly offended by this. This is bigotry in live motion, at the expense of a few kids that probably did some good work on their dream projects. And then the publishers came along and went all, yeaaaah, we need to spice this up...

Bolding mine

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