Quote from: The Traveller;552004This part has me a bit confused. the link says

"James Desborough ‏@GRIMACHU
Apparently the person who started the petition is getting surprise sex threats. Not on. However I'm sure she knows they're not genuine threats."

How does that translate to "claiming that it was OK to post rape threats to Marlyn Cooper"? It sounds more like a frank statement of the realities of the internet.

It's that last sentence. Threatening a stranger with violence is... threatening a stranger with violence. There's no such thing as a "not genuine" threat in that situation.

(Contrast to threatening a friend with violence, which is entirely different.)

The tweet isn't saying that it's okay, but it's not saying "stop this, right now, seriously". It's putting the blame on MalaDicta for being unhappy about receiving rape threats.

That it's somehow seen as acceptable to email rape threats to women who slight gamers on the internet... well, that's a problem, but it's beyond the scope of this board.

Quote from: Killfuck Soulshitter;552028RPGnet banning Desborough is the last straw. I won't even visit that place anymore.

They banned Grim years ago, so... you're quite far behind the curve. And then his company account got banned last year, because he was posting on it while still a banned poster.

The second one could have been utterly avoidable by asking the mods for permission; regardless of whether we like them or not, those are the rules there. Grim decided to just ignore the rules, and then got petulant when the expected results happened.

Misogyny = satanic the new rpg witch hunt

How "I'm sure she know they aren't genuine threats," can be seen as a "frank statement of the facts" is beyond me.

How is he sure what she knows?  How does he know they aren't genuine?
WTF?

Jesus there's a lot of nonsense and rumour going on in this thread. Sorry I've been a bit distracted.

I'll be happy to answer questions etc from people who aren't lying or being manipulative tomorrow but it's after midnight.

I can give you an update to the effect that I am in private discussion with Matt Sprange at the moment. That will limit what I can say about certain aspects of what's going on.

I'm not sure the best way to organise this, but I'll try to get to your questions in the morning.

Quote from: Ladybird;552030The tweet isn't saying that it's okay, but it's not saying "stop this, right now, seriously". It's putting the blame on MalaDicta for being unhappy about receiving rape threats.

That it's somehow seen as acceptable to email rape threats to women who slight gamers on the internet... well, that's a problem, but it's beyond the scope of this board.

I think you're extrapolating far beyond the intention of the tweet. Its not an outright condemnation of threats, which it should be, but its saying the internet is full of trolls and wasters, it comes with the territory, imho. Again he has represented himself poorly and with little dignity. One of the several outstanding questions in my mind is why she has not reported these threats to the police for analysis. Or has she?

Quote from: Aos;552033How "I'm sure she know they aren't genuine threats," can be seen as a "frank statement of the facts" is beyond me.

How is sure what she knows?  How does he know they aren't genuine?
WTF?

WTF indeed, my friend. See above.

I don't think the source should really be the question here. I still listen to bands whose frontman bit the head off a bat. I don't condone the biting off of bats' heads, and I'd probably stop listening to the music if the bat hedderie was the point of the operation. I think the agenda is more important.

Did he intend to further some sort of misogynistic agenda with his wholly correct and factual blog, or was he just riffing on the theme which his career is chock a bloc with? Did this woman have an agenda by outright lying about what he said and going on to drum up outrage with her commentary?

Important questions.

Needless to say, if it needs saying, I do not support or condone mysogyny or rape in any way, shape or form.

I'm sorry man, but that seems like some serious hair splitting there.

Rape threats = wrong. I don't see the purpose of deliberating over how heartfelt they are. Do they somehow become more wrong once reported to the police? does one need to report them to the police for them to be wrong?
Maybe, I'm just too simple minded.

Just quickly before I sleep...

I don't think the rape threats made against her are sincere (perhaps a better word than serious), any more than I think the ones I have received against me or my wife are sincere.

They are trolls, trolling, in order to troll. They do what they can in order to get a reaction and Ms Cooper has run up a huge flag to trolls about JUST the sort of thing that will upset her.

It is not saying that it is OK, rather that so long as we take trolls at face value in what they're saying: "GASP! HOW SEXIST!" we're ignoring the real problem which is one of antisocial behaviour, not sexism.

On the other hand the people calling me a rape apologist, or even 'rape supporter' do appear to genuinely believe the things they are saying.

People who genuinely believe crazy nonsense is more worrying to me than a dozen mouth breathers talking smack.

Quote from: The Traveller;552038I think you're extrapolating far beyond the intention of the tweet. Its not an outright condemnation of threats, which it should be, but its saying the internet is full of trolls and wasters, it comes with the territory, imho. Again he has represented himself poorly and with little dignity. One of the several outstanding questions in my mind is why she has not reported these threats to the police for analysis. Or has she?

No idea. I suspect the police response would be "not worth our time to investigate", though; from the rpg.net thread, the threats were coming from [random collection of letters and numbers] email addresses, so tracing them would be difficult and probably pointless.

I think we're in agreement about Grim doing a good job of making himself look bad, though. He could have at least tried to stop himself looking any worse... but no.

Quote from: Aos;552039Rape threats = wrong. I don't see the purpose of deliberating over how heartfelt they are. Do they somehow become more wrong once reported to the police? does one need to report them to the police for them to be wrong?
Maybe, I'm just too simple minded.

Here's the thing - I don't see where he said they were right. All he said was not to be too bothered by them, if anything that's a conciliatory stance. And of course all threats of physical harm should be reported to the police, immediately. If they actually transpire the police have a neon green glowing trail back to the culprits.

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He seems to sorta say that the threats were okay-er because they were not genuine. (1) How the fuck does he know they were not genuine? (2) Why would he try to find a way to make the threats feel like they were not as grave as people really think?

Quote from: The Traveller;552045Here's the thing - I don't see where he said they were right. All he said was not to be too bothered by them, if anything that's a conciliatory stance. And of course all threats of physical harm should be reported to the police, immediately. If they actually transpire the police have a neon green glowing trail back to the culprits.

Nowhere did I say that he said that rape threats were okay, but he dismisses them as not a serious issue and states that the real issue is trolling. You seem like a smart guy, chew on that for a minute and the implications thereof.

And your statement about police, while certainly true, misses the thrust of my question.

Edit: with the logic presented so far, when i say 3e isn't D&D, it's no different than when I say Imma gonna Raep u. It's all trolling.

Quote from: Ladybird;552042No idea. I suspect the police response would be "not worth our time to investigate", though

Probably best to let the police make that decision. There's no, zero, excuse for not reporting them, especially in so serious a matter. Thats assuming she hasn't.

Of course you never know, but 99.9% of internet threats are without any actual threat meant(that doesn't mean they shouldn't be reported however).

Also, any male RPGer who felt angered enough by Maladicta's statements to threaten rape against her obviously does not have a working penis or the balls to physically confront anyone for any purpose.  The same with the cretins threatening to rape Jim's wife.

Threats, however, should be banning offenses in any online community and should be reported to the authorities at all times.

Quote from: Benoist;552048He seems to sorta say that the threats were okay-er because they were not genuine. (1) How the fuck does he know they were not genuine? (2) Why would he try to find a way to make the threats feel like they were not as grave as people really think?

For once, we agree on something.  

There's no excuse for rape threats.