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Author Topic: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld  (Read 5316 times)

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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2022, 09:31:49 AM »
Yeah, but the maps all shared the same atmosphere, if I got it right you want even different atmospheres.
My point is the torus is so huge, that all those maps could be contained in the same module. From the perspective of a space traveler approaching the torus, they might see it as a string of modules, some independent, others with the doors open so they share atmospheres/ecologies/water systems. But from the perspective of someone living in the torus, a single module might be a whole world greater than the one we live on. Someone could walk for their entire life, and never even reach one end of their module, much less a series of open modules. The trick from a setting standpoint would be to figure out ways to help the players grasp that sense of scale, and to shift between different perspectives.

Right, so, 13 million earths give or take a few, to keep the math simple lets say each module is what? 100 earths?

I do love your idea, it allows for an almost infinite number of "worlds" within the construct. Heck you could even have some totally aquatic as long as you keep the mass distributed in such a way it doesn't throw the construct's orbit out of wak.
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2022, 10:46:43 AM »
Is the torus rotating? I think that it would in order to be in orbit around its sun. That means a speed of 770 million miles per hour. How do you dock with it?

If the torus is spinning in orbit around the sun, then it is creating centrifugal force and artificial gravity. How do they keep the inner edge of the torus (the ceiling) from collapsing in on the surface of the torus?

Is the torus and star travelling through space? if it travels at any appreciable fraction of light, there will be complications. What does it use as a  meteor defense? How do they block the increased radiation from moving through interstellar space?

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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2022, 11:23:40 AM »
Is the torus rotating? I think that it would in order to be in orbit around its sun. That means a speed of 770 million miles per hour. How do you dock with it?

If the torus is spinning in orbit around the sun, then it is creating centrifugal force and artificial gravity. How do they keep the inner edge of the torus (the ceiling) from collapsing in on the surface of the torus?

Is the torus and star travelling through space? if it travels at any appreciable fraction of light, there will be complications. What does it use as a  meteor defense? How do they block the increased radiation from moving through interstellar space?

1.- By equating your speed with it.

2.- The material is nigh indestructible. The material for the top is the same that for the bottom.

3.- It's why I wanted it parked in a planetary system where all of the inner planets have been removed and only the external giants remain. Assuming a species able to build it means they could even move some other giant planet from elsewhere to orbit the Torus' star.

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Edited to add: The earth's speed around the sun is about 67,000 miles per hour not 770 million miles per hour. For those who need science in their science fiction.

Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-fast-is-the-earth-mov/
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2022, 11:32:28 AM »
If someone wants to do the math to determine the radius of the torus here's the formula. https://socratic.org/questions/how-fast-would-something-have-rotate-in-order-to-create-earth-like-gravity-from-
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2022, 01:40:27 PM »

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Then don't call it science fiction. Call it science fantasy.

Or call it what it is, a piss-poor Ringworld rip-off.
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2022, 01:40:58 PM »
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2022, 01:56:45 PM »

Reject Science, embrace handwavium.


Then don't call it science fiction. Call it science fantasy.

Or call it what it is, a piss-poor Ringworld rip-off.

So you didn't read the title of the thread.

And like you always do you'll start a fight to disguise your own stupidity. Tired of your BS dude, welcome to the ignore list.
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2022, 01:58:32 PM »
If someone wants to do the math to determine the radius of the torus here's the formula. https://socratic.org/questions/how-fast-would-something-have-rotate-in-order-to-create-earth-like-gravity-from-

So which is it?


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Which is what? Do you see a contradiction on me saying I don't care about the science and providing a link for ohers that might care about it to get the math?

I'll tell you what it is... It's go fuck yourself.
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2022, 02:22:07 PM »
Is the torus rotating? I think that it would in order to be in orbit around its sun. That means a speed of 770 million miles per hour. How do you dock with it?
That's 1.148 times the speed of light.

Who exactly is using handwavium and science fantasy?

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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2022, 02:57:09 PM »
I mean, this is an open content collaborative effort, if YOU want your totally not Ringworld not to have a day/night cycle by all means.

My question wasn't clear. I meant what is the game benefit to having this thing have a day/night cycle. If you are trying to replicate an earth-like habitat, a bigger downside would be the fact that the sun is always directly above you.

A normal tree or bush grows in a spherical shape, so as the sun moves across the sky, the cross section of the sun hitting the tree will be constant (ish). But if the sun is always directly above, the solar energy received will be a downward cross section only. So trees that are tall and thin, like pines or spruce will be at a huge disadvantage compared to a tree that is flat and broad. This will have a big impact on how vegetation grows.

Similarly, if you make the night by blocking the sun, then the night sky would be completely black.

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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2022, 03:04:25 PM »
If the torus is spinning in orbit around the sun, then it is creating centrifugal force and artificial gravity. How do they keep the inner edge of the torus (the ceiling) from collapsing in on the surface of the torus?

Because the tube is full of air, it will be like a huge balloon, so more likely to pop than crush. The bigger issue with spinning it up for gravity is that this will act as a force trying to expand the radius and pull itself apart. Plus if one part does break, the thing will rip apart as the sections fly to a higher orbit.

If it was just rotating at a normal orbit, not only would the thing be more stable, but if a section did break apart, the rest of it would still orbit normally. And it would be easier to dock with. Of course, this requires artificial gravity but that's probably something you'd need anyway since the gravity produced by the mass of the land would be from the center of mass and, thus, not directly perpendicular to the surface.

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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2022, 03:06:19 PM »
I mean, this is an open content collaborative effort, if YOU want your totally not Ringworld not to have a day/night cycle by all means.

My question wasn't clear. I meant what is the game benefit to having this thing have a day/night cycle. If you are trying to replicate an earth-like habitat, a bigger downside would be the fact that the sun is always directly above you.

A normal tree or bush grows in a spherical shape, so as the sun moves across the sky, the cross section of the sun hitting the tree will be constant (ish). But if the sun is always directly above, the solar energy received will be a downward cross section only. So trees that are tall and thin, like pines or spruce will have significantly less cross section than a tree that is flat and broad. This will have a big impact on how vegetation grows.

Similarly, if you make the night by blocking the sun, then the night sky would be completely black.

Small change: The floating thingys for the night/day cyvle? Forget it.

The roof is made of a smart material that simulates both dawn/dusk and night by regulating the amount of light. This same material is able to change the incidence angle of the light thus simulating the seassons.

So, if it can simulate seasons why wouldn't it be able to simulate the sun's movement by changing the angle of the light?

Here's the thing, we currently have materials that can block from 0% to 100% of the sun light.

So, the roof doesn't block 100% just enough to have a night and whatever it lets pass is difused to simulate a moonlit night.
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2022, 04:04:07 PM »
Is the torus rotating? I think that it would in order to be in orbit around its sun. That means a speed of 770 million miles per hour. How do you dock with it?
That's 1.148 times the speed of light.

Who exactly is using handwavium and science fantasy?

My bad. I misremembered the numbers. Mea culpa.
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2022, 04:07:02 PM »

Reject Science, embrace handwavium.


Then don't call it science fiction. Call it science fantasy.

Or call it what it is, a piss-poor Ringworld rip-off.

So you didn't read the title of the thread.

And like you always do you'll start a fight to disguise your own stupidity. Tired of your BS dude, welcome to the ignore list.

No, I read the title of the thread and since the idea has been done before (a lot!) making the Ringworld a torus isn't that big a stretch to make it unique. Here, I'll give you a hint. Go read Bigger Than Worlds by Larry Niven and get back to me.
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Re: The Torus, a serial numbers filed Ringworld
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2022, 04:07:50 PM »
If someone wants to do the math to determine the radius of the torus here's the formula. https://socratic.org/questions/how-fast-would-something-have-rotate-in-order-to-create-earth-like-gravity-from-

So which is it?


Reject Science, embrace handwavium.


Which is what? Do you see a contradiction on me saying I don't care about the science and providing a link for ohers that might care about it to get the math?

I'll tell you what it is... It's go fuck yourself.

And here I thought you had me on your Ignore List.
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