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[The Strange] Odd thought about some setting implications
« on: January 01, 2016, 01:09:42 PM »
Given the fiction can create actual worlds in The Strange, SJWs and others types trying to control and censor fiction actually have some of the leg to stand on. Fictional suffering and "-isms" can result in actual event or at least very close to it. Allot of Recursions are essentially stage sets with endlessly repeating plays but some are essentially real worlds. It depends on how you view beings without the Spark but the fiction seems to present them as like Sleeper in the Matrix, feeling and thinking creatures but their awareness is limited, restricted by the context of their Recursion in more advanced developed ones.

I've got to use this in my game (even it turns out not to be totally accurate) and have a faction that is crusading to control Bad Fictional Leakage and correct "wrong" Recursions (or destroy them).
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[The Strange] Odd thought about some setting implications
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2016, 10:59:48 PM »
Holy shit. I put this thread in the wrong forum....
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2016, 11:05:58 PM »
Moving it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2016, 11:15:03 PM »
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Moving it.


Thank you. Sorry about the boneheaded move
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2016, 09:14:49 PM »
Done right - with the right group - I can see that concept and the enemy faction working great.

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 09:23:46 PM »
Their first target should be the Thunder Plains, of course :D
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2016, 11:43:31 PM »
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Their first target should be the Thunder Plains, of course :D


for give me but why would they target a location in ffX / X-2??
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"kill a commie for mommy"

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 11:54:33 PM »
The Thunder Plains is a recursion based on the stereotypes and misunderstood mythology of certain Native Americans in The Strange. Its existence caused a stink in certain circles because it was racist and inaccurate...which was kind of the point. Recursions are generated in part from the influence of human imagination and fiction. The Plains reflected a caricature of those myths as seen through other culture and was never intended to be culturally or historically accurate anymore than the Recursion "Good Land" was an accurate depiction of the 1950 instead of the era as seen on Leaver it Beaver and through the eyes of nostalgia.

Pressure motivated Monte Cook to release an apology and a replacement Recursion that was more mythologically accurate and promise the Thunder Plains would be removed from future printings of the core book.

So a scenario where this particular group either tries to or succeeds in destroying the Thunder Plains would be a case of art imitating life, very fitting for The Strange. :D
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2016, 08:03:53 AM »
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Their first target should be the Thunder Plains, of course :D


I actually suggested something close to this to Bruce Cordell as a transition idea for Ohunkakan. It was ignored. ;)

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2016, 08:23:32 AM »
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I actually suggested something close to this to Bruce Cordell as a transition idea for Ohunkakan. It was ignored. ;)


Heh, I guess considering the reasons it was being done they couldn't risk poking the bear that way.

The shame is, for me anyway, is the two Recursions aren't opposed. There's no need, thematically or due to in game physics that they both can't exist. In fact there are probably many many similarly themed Recursions, created and influenced by a multitude of different sources. It works better for both of them to exist as it illustrates the nature of The Strange. Hell, there should be ALLOT of Triggery Politically Incorrect Recursions.

 Its strictly pressure from a bunch of internet loud mouths that calls for one to be "eliminated".
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2016, 10:47:18 AM »
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The shame is, for me anyway, is the two Recursions aren't opposed. There's no need, thematically or due to in game physics that they both can't exist. In fact there are probably many many similarly themed Recursions, created and influenced by a multitude of different sources.

This is actually reflected in the official recursions. Just look at Neverland-4, which is just one of many based on Peter Pan, or the several recursions based on Arthurian legends.

As far as SJWs are concerned, its a double-edged sword. Yes, their campaigns of censorship might prevent some unpleasant recursions from forming due to fictional leakage. However, they might cause the formations of other recursions that are just as bad. Imagine a recursion where society is entirely PC and even one's thoughts must fit a strict checklist or the person is sent off for "re-education." Then someone in authority gets the spark, learns of The Strange, and decides that this right way of thinking simply must be brought to the other recursions. For their own good, of course.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2016, 11:22:02 AM »
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This is actually reflected in the official recursions. Just look at Neverland-4, which is just one of many based on Peter Pan, or the several recursions based on Arthurian legends.


I meant their are likely many Recursions like the Thunder Pains and Ohunkantan, spawned from Native American mythology, interpretations and misconceptions about it or even just the general ideas (like Rebel Galaxy is pulp Space Opera/Star Wars with the serial numbers filed off). So having them both wouild be quite fitting in the game as it stands.

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As far as SJWs are concerned, its a double-edged sword. Yes, their campaigns of censorship might prevent some unpleasant recursions from forming due to fictional leakage. However, they might cause the formations of other recursions that are just as bad. Imagine a recursion where society is entirely PC and even one's thoughts must fit a strict checklist or the person is sent off for "re-education." Then someone in authority gets the spark, learns of The Strange, and decides that this right way of thinking simply must be brought to the other recursions. For their own good, of course.


Of course, there's probably some folks in real life that would consider these fine outcomes. And for this fictional faction they might even be part of their goals or seen as unintended good consequences.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2016, 01:05:07 PM »
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This is actually reflected in the official recursions. Just look at Neverland-4, which is just one of many based on Peter Pan, or the several recursions based on Arthurian legends.

As far as SJWs are concerned, its a double-edged sword. Yes, their campaigns of censorship might prevent some unpleasant recursions from forming due to fictional leakage. However, they might cause the formations of other recursions that are just as bad. Imagine a recursion where society is entirely PC and even one's thoughts must fit a strict checklist or the person is sent off for "re-education." Then someone in authority gets the spark, learns of The Strange, and decides that this right way of thinking simply must be brought to the other recursions. For their own good, of course.


I pray to god that Alderaan Crumbs (my GM) doesn't read that and start getting ideas.

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2016, 02:47:29 PM »
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I pray to god that Alderaan Crumbs (my GM) doesn't read that and start getting ideas.


Sounds like a fun guy. :D
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 05:12:43 PM »
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Imagine a recursion where society is entirely PC and even one's thoughts must fit a strict checklist or the person is sent off for "re-education."


So, like U.S. colleges right now?
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