Honestly in either case the players or the DM will walk away. In a few games where the DM was clearly being an insufferable dick the entire table walked off myself and the other [players walked off. I walked away from a group who insisted on doing stupid things and expected to suffer no consequences. Though I expect to see Woke gaming cons that bent the knee have some kind of legal BS included. The only positive is that pretty much is a clear warning sign for DMs to stay away from such cons.

Quote from: PencilBoy99 on October 12, 2020, 01:19:07 PM
I am curious where this trend will go. Since the rise if the Forge authors have become increasingly direct in how the GM can run their game. We used to laugh at Gary Gygax comparatively tepid direction to GMs.

Will games point have some kind of legalese so a disgruntled players can report a non compliant GM?

You should take that idea to WotC. I'm sure they would love it! D&D 6.0 Rule 0: "If you find the DM or anyone in your group to be of a 'reasonable' or 'good natured' sort - even if they are non-white, they are NahT-Sees! Please call our free 1-800 Lawfare partners or organize one of our sponsored 'Burn-In' protests on our website or at your local Adventurers League! To make sure you fear, loathe, and lie about them properly, ask your local ALC (Adventure League Commissar) for details!"
LOL XD

It really has gotten to be a bit much, hasn't it?

Quote from: Snark Knight on October 07, 2020, 08:19:38 AMI'm going out on a limb and guess he'll leave out one of the reasons for the revolution was the colonists wanting to push into Native land the British told them not to touch.

I suspect quite a lot of history will be removed/rewritten beyond that. Almost... as if that's the point.

Quote from: sureshot on October 09, 2020, 08:26:23 AMWhat killed any interest was this review: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product_reviews_info.php?&reviews_id=489094&products_id=326840 of the product.

Quote from: Review in Question
This despite the fact that the British created an entire regiment of former slaves, granting freedom in return for service (which they honored, even evacuating the regiment and its families to Canada when the war ended); likewise, the rebels encouraged slaves to aid their cause (but did not honor their promises),

Plot twist! It was the the noble rebels who broke their promises to marginalized communities and not the evil colonialists.

Quote from: Marchand on October 05, 2020, 10:08:00 PMOpen up the free preview and there is a preamble called "Uses and Abuses of History": "...this game is not an excuse to reenact harmful words or acts of the past, including ageism, ablism [etc.]... trans or queerphobia"

I was wondering how they were going to release a game literally based on a colonial empire driven primarily by men which ultimately obliterated a significant portion of the native population. Seems the solution is to simply ignore that was a thing altogether, ironically white washing history in the process.

Thing is reenacting harm is not the same as causing it, and plenty of the minorities they've vowed to protect would rather have honest and accurate history rather than a shallowly contrived pastiche free of sharp edges.

I really have to give credit to Daniel Fox.  He's got the SJW grift pretty well figured out.  So long as he stays a member of the in-group he can do whatever he wants and have legions of followers ready to leap to his defense if he's ever called out.

It's hilarious to me how much weird smut is in Zweihander. It almost rivals Venger's worst excesses.  Yet Daniel gets a pass for things that would have gotten anyone else nailed to the wall.

I know how the cliche goes "his turn will come."

It often doesn't.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 06, 2020, 07:41:11 AM
I'm just curious as to whether the setting's going to be truly tolerant, or if he's going to inject the Christophobia that seems necessary to sell a game to TBP and their cohorts. Given the mention of the Inquisition and Knights Templar as villain groups, I suspect the latter, but it could just be the 'shades of gray' that the blurb makes so much of. Still, I'm pretty clearly not the target audience.

Also, if anyone wants more details, the Kickstarter's up (and 200% funded already): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grimandperilous/flames-of-freedom-powered-by-zweihander-rpg

Anything Zwei had a hand in is garbage right out the gate.

I kind of like the system. It's crunchier than I would have liked but its pretty cool.

Quote from: Spinachcat on October 06, 2020, 05:00:00 PM

Quote from: Ravenswing on October 06, 2020, 03:58:09 AM(Come now, I hope no one's under any delusion that the "common man" called any shots in 1776.)

Not all the Founding Fathers were rich men, and certainly most of the Revolutionary patriots were not. Unless the new definition of rich is "having a family farm in the 18th century".

People who are not rich have fought in every war ever. But the only calling of the shots they usually get to do is "Aim at that guy with the sword and the fancy gold braid."

While not all the Founding Fathers were rich, does anyone know of any lower-class, poor Founding Fathers?

Yeah anything with Daniel Fox's grubby mitts on it is a hard pass from me. Fuck that ponce and the horse he rode in on.

On a more positive note, If you are hungry for some of that trademark Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay dark and dangerous adventure, but don't want to support Daniel Fox, you have options.

I cannot recommend Warlock! by Fire Ruby Designs highly enough. 

It's a great hybrid of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay and Advanced Fighting Fantasy.  The rules are simple and leave plenty of space for DM interpretation and keep the action flowing.

They recently released a Sci-fi version of the rules called Warpstar! which borrows heavily from Rogue Trader 40k.

Quote from: Ravenswing on October 06, 2020, 03:58:09 AM

Beyond that, having written a quasi-historical gamebook in the same time period (GURPS Scarlet Pimpernel), "this game is not an excuse to reenact harmful words or acts of the past ..." huh?  Once I sent Steve Jackson the MS, the setting was out of my hands.  If someone wanted to decide that 1793 Paris was a beacon of racial and sexual equality, I had no say over it, then or subsequently.  If someone wanted 1793 Paris to be a place where les citoyens had wienie roasts over the mass pyres of blacks and gays, I had no say over it, then or subsequently.   [/color]

GURPS Scarlet Pimpernel was a fantastic product!

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 24, 2020, 11:06:08 PM

Quote from: Ravenswing on October 06, 2020, 03:58:09 AM

Beyond that, having written a quasi-historical gamebook in the same time period (GURPS Scarlet Pimpernel), "this game is not an excuse to reenact harmful words or acts of the past ..." huh?  Once I sent Steve Jackson the MS, the setting was out of my hands.  If someone wanted to decide that 1793 Paris was a beacon of racial and sexual equality, I had no say over it, then or subsequently.  If someone wanted 1793 Paris to be a place where les citoyens had wienie roasts over the mass pyres of blacks and gays, I had no say over it, then or subsequently.   [/color]

GURPS Scarlet Pimpernel was a fantastic product!

Seconded.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on October 21, 2020, 06:49:27 AM
I suspect quite a lot of history will be removed/rewritten beyond that. Almost... as if that's the point.

"He who controls the past, controls the future; he who controls the present, controls the past."