Quote from: Brad on May 11, 2021, 10:33:42 AMIt's like getting kicked out of the 5-star restaurant because you DARED wear a red tie instead of black! How DARE YOU! Then you go down the street to the biker bar and they literally don't give one fuck what you're up to....

I'm suddenly immensely tickled by the idea of me having stopped going to the 5-star restaurant because I got so annoyed at how the maitre d' was treating the other customers who were only slightly less milquetoast and nebbishy than I, and winding up hanging out in a biker bar instead. (For reference, you have to imagine the least likely-looking person in the world to be found in an actual biker bar.)

Has anyone ever taken up a kickstarted or GFM to launch and advertise a website aimed at competing with TBP specifically on the grounds mentioned here? I mean do enough ads to get it noticed and clearly say it is meant to be very different from that site? I would not want it to be just like here as this site has issues to, but definitely not as ridiculously woke and hypersensitive as  woke.net.

Hell if you just got back the people banned from there you'd have a huge site.

Personally i think rpg.net is so bit because it lucked out and  grabbed a popular domain name early on. Maybe a new site could fo with something very similar to get search engine hits.

Maybe it's time for some people who are not happy with rpg.net to put together an effort to get funding to start one specifically to be a valid alternative.

Welp, looks like Winterland might want to consider finding a new home for game discussion.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Kid's running, carrying a gun, and instead of doing the smart thing (immediately dropping the gun and going prone), he tosses it to one side and whirls to face the cop.

But hey, narrative.

EDIT: While I'm trawling for easy meat, 'Mother may I ask this question?'

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/want-to-ask-a-sensitive-question-in-a-thread-but-might-run-afoul-of-a-forum-rule.881249/

Wow. Just wow. It's like Stockholm Syndrome. And people pay money for this!

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 12, 2021, 09:23:56 AM
Welp, looks like Winterland might want to consider finding a new home for game discussion.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Kid's running, carrying a gun, and instead of doing the smart thing (immediately dropping the gun and going prone), he tosses it to one side and whirls to face the cop.

Oh no. I feel sorry for that guy.

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 12, 2021, 12:35:16 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 12, 2021, 09:23:56 AM
Welp, looks like Winterland might want to consider finding a new home for game discussion.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Kid's running, carrying a gun, and instead of doing the smart thing (immediately dropping the gun and going prone), he tosses it to one side and whirls to face the cop.

Oh no. I feel sorry for that guy.

Indeed. He should come here. It may resemble a mosh pit at times but Pundit's not the casual-banning type; you kinda have to work at it to get kicked off.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 12, 2021, 01:30:52 PM

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 12, 2021, 12:35:16 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 12, 2021, 09:23:56 AM
Welp, looks like Winterland might want to consider finding a new home for game discussion.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Kid's running, carrying a gun, and instead of doing the smart thing (immediately dropping the gun and going prone), he tosses it to one side and whirls to face the cop.

Oh no. I feel sorry for that guy.

Indeed. He should come here. It may resemble a mosh pit at times but Pundit's not the casual-banning type; you kinda have to work at it to get kicked off.

Greetings!

I agree, my friend! If Winterland is smart, he would come here. Winterland would be very welcome here! Hopefully he shows up here and joins us! TBP is a worthless, tyrannical, garbage website and forum. I don't know why anyone stays there, or puts up with such absolute mind-boggling tyranny and nonsense for a blink. Just reading a few of these "Bannings" makes me hate that place. I am glad I don't go there. I wouldn't tolerate that place with so much as a paragraph. Fuck them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 09, 2021, 11:27:57 AM
See, the funny thing for me is that it's not 'they ban people' that annoys me about RPGnet.

It's their sandbox. Just like this is Pundit's sandbox. They make the rules, they decide who gets the boot if they get too uppity. Anyone who's spent any time on a moderated forum of ANY type will recognize this. It's like dealing with the GM; in the end, they make the ruling.

The thing that annoys me is that it was once a place where I enjoyed discussing games.  And those jackasses wrecked it.

What interests me however is that you see posters that, while not being banned, just stopped posting or even come back months ago. Maybe they lost interest in the hobby, but it also seems like they don't like how extreme even for them it has turned. By just, posting they feel like they're sticking out their neck to be decapitated. (what Lindsay Ellis referred to as "living under the shadow") And the mods are just turning up the notch by every day. Increasing penalites, count petty things that warrants a warning at most as severe infraction.

It makes you think of RPG.net as a apartment building where the owner wants to get rid of the tenants just so they can sell off the building to a corporation so they can demolish the lot and put up a parking garage.

I've never seen a forum so intent on decreasing its user base. It's astonishing. It's sad.

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 12, 2021, 04:40:09 PM
What interests me however is that you see posters that, while not being banned, just stopped posting or even come back months ago. Maybe they lost interest in the hobby, but it also seems like they don't like how extreme even for them it has turned. By just, posting they feel like they're sticking out their neck to be decapitated. (what Lindsay Ellis referred to as "living under the shadow") And the mods are just turning up the notch by every day. Increasing penalites, count petty things that warrants a warning at most as severe infraction.

It makes you think of RPG.net as a apartment building where the owner wants to get rid of the tenants just so they can sell off the building to a corporation so they can demolish the lot and put up a parking garage.

I've never seen a forum so intent on decreasing its user base. It's astonishing. It's sad.

You're not seeing it from their point of view. They don't WANT 'wrongthinkers' in their forum, or indeed in their hobby. They view it as a solemn, holy duty to drive out such influences.

This is why I get so twitchy when the word 'Nazi' gets tossed around willy-nilly. Because for some of these morons, 'Nazi' has gone from 'actual member of the NSDAP' to 'holds the same views as the NSDAP' to 'stands in the same room as someone from the NSDAP' all the way down to 'this person said something I disagree with, ergo they must be a Nazi'.

What I find fascinating is that the wokeists are completely reversing course on the narrative they promoted in regards to radical Muslims/jihadists. 'Oh no, we can't confront them, we would only radicalize them further!'.

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 12, 2021, 04:40:09 PM
What interests me however is that you see posters that, while not being banned, just stopped posting or even come back months ago.

I never used RPG.net but this is basically why I'm here. There is no point in participating in hobby forums where admins are SJWs because they will always converge into groupthink that they are the most moral people and everyone else is bad and must therefore be kicked out.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 13, 2021, 08:13:07 AM

This is why I get so twitchy when the word 'Nazi' gets tossed around willy-nilly. Because for some of these morons, 'Nazi' has gone from 'actual member of the NSDAP' to 'holds the same views as the NSDAP' to 'stands in the same room as someone from the NSDAP' all the way down to 'this person said something I disagree with, ergo they must be a Nazi'.

Mmh, yes. I think the levels I use is:
Nazis
NaziWannabes
Don'tWannabeNazis

Fuck the first twos but I'm prepared to give the last ones the benefit of the doubt until they say or do something actually racist.

The first two don't know or don't care that being a nazi is a bad thing.
The last ones do know and do care about trying to be a decent person.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 13, 2021, 08:13:07 AM
This is why I get so twitchy when the word 'Nazi' gets tossed around willy-nilly. Because for some of these morons, 'Nazi' has gone from 'actual member of the NSDAP' to 'holds the same views as the NSDAP' to 'stands in the same room as someone from the NSDAP' all the way down to 'this person said something I disagree with, ergo they must be a Nazi'.

You forgot the worst: "He stands in the same room as someone from the NSDAP and doesn't publicly denounce him."

I've heard that if you're a white guy and don't publicly denounce Nazis every 20 minutes, you are, in fact, a Nazi. I guess that's why some of the rpg.net idiots have crap like "Fuck fascists" in their user profiles while actually promoting fascism.

I've been (thinking about) getting back into tabletop miniatures wargames, and have joined a couple of wargames forums (non-GW/Warhammer, independent sites).

And there is just no politics. At all. (I'm almost reluctant to post this in case I jinx it.)

I suppose SJWs would say ah-ha, there is implicit unspoken race bias etc. So I mean in the old-fashioned sense, there is no explicit discussion of politics.

I was wondering if it was because a load of gents of a certain age who care about what kind of backpack a Civil War soldier wore are never going to offer fertile territory for an SJW advance guard, but a lot of the traffic on the forums I joined (seeing on the order of dozens of posts daily) is on fantasy and SF gaming of various kinds.

Maybe modelling the patriarchy in miniature (and competitively) is just irredeemably evil from an SJW perspective. But then in theory I could imagine a "game" where players co-operate in charge of heroic indigenous warriors against evil colonialists or whatnot. That is, an SJW wargame is no more (or less) inherently ridiculous a concept than an SJW RPG.

Maybe it's just a matter of time.

Quote from: Marchand on May 13, 2021, 09:29:17 AM
I've been (thinking about) getting back into tabletop miniatures wargames, and have joined a couple of wargames forums (non-GW/Warhammer, independent sites).

And there is just no politics. At all. (I'm almost reluctant to post this in case I jinx it.)

I suppose SJWs would say ah-ha, there is implicit unspoken race bias etc. So I mean in the old-fashioned sense, there is no explicit discussion of politics.

I was wondering if it was because a load of gents of a certain age who care about what kind of backpack a Civil War soldier wore are never going to offer fertile territory for an SJW advance guard, but a lot of the traffic on the forums I joined (seeing on the order of dozens of posts daily) is on fantasy and SF gaming of various kinds.

Maybe modelling the patriarchy in miniature (and competitively) is just irredeemably evil from an SJW perspective. But then in theory I could imagine a "game" where players co-operate in charge of heroic indigenous warriors against evil colonialists or whatnot. That is, an SJW wargame is no more (or less) inherently ridiculous a concept than an SJW RPG.

Maybe it's just a matter of time.

There's been attempts, but tabletop wargaming has been pretty resistant thus far. There's been some wokeist crap out of GW occasionally ('Warhammer is for everyone!') but the outlay of money, time, and effort helps gatekeep a bit. Plus, at the end of it all, you still gotta roll the dice to see if your guys win or lose.

Every once in a while, the idiots run the 'female spess mehreens' idea up the flagpole to see who salutes. The problem there is that GW has (probably unintentionally) undercut that argument with the new Sisters of Battle push.

Now some will bitch about it, but everyone knows the Sisters have been getting the short end of the stick for a while up till now. Most players, regardless of army, are happy to let the bolter bitches get some time in the sun instead of being jobbers for other factions.